Women teaching patriarchy to women.

[Tex]

You miss the point entirely. The hostility (if you wish to identify the sentiment as that) is rooted in the fact that the woman's purported inclination toward spiritual awareness is being used as an excuse for disqualifying women from the priesthood. That kind of argument is both condescending and an insult to the female intelligence.

I guess you read the first sentence and then quit. I spent the rest of the post talking about why that is an incorrect notion (which I also said earlier in this thread too, twice).

In the first of those other posts, I said that it gets cited frequently, but on further reflection I don't think most people actually believe that. More likely it gets repeated in a somewhat self-deprecating way, intended as more of an awkward compliment than real doctrine.

You're really making too big a deal out of it. And yes, I think it's hostile.

[tooblue]

I hate that type of response to criticism of BYU.

It is what it is. I prefer the 'give them the laws and let them govern themselves philosophy' but ultimately whether or not I like the honor code is irrelevant.

[TripletDaddy]

I hate that type of response to criticism of BYU.

If you don't like it, post in another thread!

[RobinFinderson]

This is an inappropriate reading of what I have written. I believe that your reading comprehension skills are better than that. I have made no such statement like "half the population...significantly lacks the tools to fulfill life's greatest purpose". This is a jump from what I did say, which is that women are more inclined to be open to the promptings of the spirit. Com'on

Didn't you say that you believe women are more spiritually sensitive, and as support for that you pointed to higher rates of women getting baptized, and don't you believe that baptism is a necessary step in one's eternal spiritual development, and don't you believe that the purpose of life is to follow God's plan of happiness, and don't you believe that it is the spirit that helps people know how to follow that plan?

How isn't that that the same as 'half of the population significantly lacks the tools to fulfill life's greatest purpose?'

[Jeff Lebowski]

It is what it is. I prefer the 'give them the laws and let them govern themselves philosophy' but ultimately whether or not I like the honor code is irrelevant.

Yes, that is technically true. But unless we are debating the legality of the honor code, it's a copout.

[UtahDan]

Yes, it is technically true. But unless we are debating the legality of the honor code, it's a copout.

It is arguing procedure when substance is at issue.

Viz., argument: your statement was racist. Answer: the first amendment guarantees me the right to say as I please.

[Babs]

I guess you read the first sentence and then quit. I spent the rest of the post talking about why that is an incorrect notion (which I also said earlier in this thread too, twice).

In the first of those other posts, I said that it gets cited frequently, but on further reflection I don't think most people actually believe that. More likely it gets repeated in a somewhat self-deprecating way, intended as more of an awkward compliment than real doctrine.

You're really making too big a deal out of it. And yes, I think it's hostile.

Yeah, I make such a deal of it that I wasn't even in the thread (and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for that wascally Wobin).

I don't know anything about the justification for your church's sexually preferential doctrine of the preisthood. And seeing as I have no personal investment in said doctrine, I can't imagine how it or its defense would inspire any hostility on my part. The whats and whys of your depiction and treatment of your women is your business.

And yes, I read your whole post, I was merely correcting your opening line. If we are speaking solely of the sentiment toward the depiction of gender-biased spiritual inclination - and not of the doctrine of the priesthood - I have seen the women question whether it's accurate to suggest that women are more spiritually/emotionally aware than men, but I haven't any hostility engendered by the notion.

[tooblue]

Yes, that is technically true. But unless we are debating the legality of the honor code, it's a copout.

It's not a copout. It's irrelevant to me because I never attended the school and I do not have children who attend the school. If one of my boys decides to go to BYU then maybe it will be more relevant.

For the record I am not defending BYU or the honor code. Furthermore, I do not have a problem with you or 71 criticizing BYU over the honor code. Please do not try to paint me something I'm not or try to start a fruitless exchange so you can ultimately tell me I'm stupid, which is all you really seem to want to do anyways.

[Babs]

If we are speaking solely of the sentiment toward the depiction of gender-biased spiritual inclination - and not of the doctrine of the priesthood - I have seen the women question whether it's accurate to suggest that women are more spiritually/emotionally aware than men, but I haven't any hostility engendered by the notion.

oh, come on, people -- "engendered"? -- it's funny, dammit. FUNNY!

[UtahDan]

Please do not try to paint me something I'm not or try to start a fruitless exchange so you can ultimately tell me I'm stupid, which is all you really seem to want to do anyways.

Two of my favorite posters fighting. This is painful to watch. I hope you patch it up quickly.

[UtahDan]

oh, come on, people -- "engendered"? -- it's funny, dammit. FUNNY!

!!!WARNING, GENTLE RIBBING TO FOLLOW!!!

Too subtle Babs.

!!!TEASING COMPLETE!!!!!

[Babs]

!!!WARNING, GENTLE RIBBING TO FOLLOW!!!

Too subtle Babs.

!!!TEASING COMPLETE!!!!!

oh, stop your flirting, and will somebody please kill the thread already?

[UtahDan]

oh, stop your flirting, and will somebody please kill the thread already?

Surfah is the stone cold thread killing assassin. Surfah? Where are you man?

[SeattleUte]

Have you spent much time outside of the Pacific Northwest?

See the priesthood ban and polygamy (twin pillars of barbarism). See the vanguard of Prop. 8. See "modern revelation". No religion is so much in a time capsule as Mormonism. Mormonism has been a throwback to pre-Christianity monotheism.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Two of my favorite posters fighting. This is painful to watch. I hope you patch it up quickly.

Hack.