Women teaching patriarchy to women.

[RobinFinderson]

oh, stop your flirting, and will somebody please kill the thread already?

That is what I was trying to do back when I suggested you and I sing a duet, but then it went and got legs.

[UtahDan]

Interesting that since many have concluded that the church has women improperly on a pedestal that the church's school has decided that it does not need a centralized institute to study women. I understand there is some argument that more resources are committed by doing this, but it seems like a dodge to me. Why decentralize something that has been in place for 31 years and absorb into other things.

I can't think of anything else in life that your shore up and show commitment to by breaking it apart. The more I think about it, the more this has the smell of new personalities "cleaning house." If women are on a pedestal in the church, surely they are worthy of study and research in their own right, not just as part of other areas of study.

[LA Ute]

See the priesthood ban and polygamy (twin pillars of barbarism). See the vanguard of Prop. 8. See "modern revelation". No religion is so much in a time capsule as Mormonism. Mormonism has been a throwback to pre-Christianity monotheism.

[mUUser]

I don't think up a name for the Ammish because they don't ride in cars.

To be accurate and admittedly nitpicky, the Ammish can and do ride in cars, they just don't drive them. They can also use cell phones, but not keep them in the home. Many of their practices depends on the parish to which they belong.

[wuapinmon]

Not sure how she missed it, but just to be sure:



Summon Rosebud!

[Rosebud]

Aw Wuap….. I don’t really know what to say. My honest response to this thread probably isn’t what people want to hear right now, but jumping back into the game and pretending like nothing is wrong would feel like a lie.

My honest response is to make a comparison between discrimination in the church based on race and gender and discrimination on CUF in SE membership. I don’t like making such a silly comparison because I care deeply about my church and I love CUF. Still, I can’t help but recognize that it is harder for an organization with 180+ years of cultural history to overcome discriminatory practices than it is for a little message board to get over a culture created by a Mike Waters stunt. Where is Waters now anyway? Why is he gone? What keeps him away? Why has the board discarded his unjust moderation policies but held on to the way he organized the crypt?

More than anything, this thread makes me sad. (Luckily it’s socially appropriate for me to express feelings .) It reminds me that I used to think that CUF was a place where people could discuss religion on equal footing. The SE mess demonstrated to me that equality on CUF is a myth. Yeah… I know that it’s normal for people in power to want to maintain the status quo…. it’s just that I also know that doing so is wrong.

Whether or not you believe Christ was God’s literal son or an exceptionally wise sage, he set an example of taking equal care of both the powerless and the powerful. SE’s organization runs contrary to the principles he lived by.

Enough said…. TOO much probably. I know that you all just love it when I speak on equality. And yes.... I'm stubborn.

[UtahDan]

Personal observations of the niceties of women aside, is there any scriptural or revelatory basis for the notion that one gender, as whole, is more receptive to the Spirit? Or more likely to act on the Spirit? It would be interesting to explore that avenue.

Absent any such teachings, I am still in the dark as to why anyone would think, let alone promulgate such thought as doctrine.

I don't see a good answer to this question here. Did anyone ever come up with any authority for this proposition, or is this like the "less valiant in the pre-existence" argument in that it just strokes the egos of some?

[Indy Coug]

I don't see a good answer to this question here. Did anyone ever come up with any authority for this proposition, or is this like the "less valiant in the pre-existence" argument in that it just strokes the egos of some?

I think some of the basis for "women being more spiritual" is the ratio of female to male converts. While I don't have actual statistics available on what that ratio is, personal experience is that significantly more than 50% of new converts are female. I would estimate that well over 80% of the people I taught on my mission were women and that women made up at least two-thirds of converts in the mission. Our branch has had over 150 convert baptisms over the last four years. I would estimate that women comprise at least 60% of that number.

Assuming my anecdotal experience is representative of the church as a whole, is that ratio unduly influenced by the fact that missionaries are mostly male and there is some sort of sexual undertones to the marketing of the church, or is it simply because women are more receptive/sensitive to things of the spirit?

[UtahDan]

I think some of the basis for "women being more spiritual" is the ratio of female to male converts. While I don't have actual statistics available on what that ratio is, personal experience is that significantly more than 50% of new converts are female. I would estimate that well over 80% of the people I taught on my mission were women and that women made up at least two-thirds of converts in the mission. Our branch has had over 150 convert baptisms over the last four years. I would estimate that women comprise at least 60% of that number.

Assuming my anecdotal experience is representative of the church as a whole, is that ratio unduly influenced by the fact that missionaries are mostly male and there is some sort of sexual undertones to the marketing of the church, or is it simply because women are more receptive/sensitive to things of the spirit?

I think it has to do with the fact that more women are home during the day to answer a door knock.

[Rosebud]

Am I supposed to read something into the bumping of this thread?

[Rosebud]

Be direct.

[Indy Coug]

I think it has to do with the fact that more women are home during the day to answer a door knock.

Even if that's the case, I would extend my anecdotal observation to contend that a higher percentage of women remain active than men.

[wuapinmon]

Am I supposed to read something into the bumping of this thread?

[Rosebud]

So the woman is the one-eyed plus sign and the man has three legs? Thanks Wuap....now I understand everything about how history has affected life, liberty, and the contemporary pursuit of female happiness.

[UtahDan]

Am I supposed to read something into the bumping of this thread?

Nope, direct is the only thing I know know how to do, unless we are talking about my jpgs. Just bumping an old thread to see if it has any life left.