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Don't question Men Who Know. They have studied these things. Show some respect!“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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Good article, however it still doesn't explain how the man can preside while at the same time being equal to his wife. The article basically waters down the term "preside" to a meaningless role, which I think is fine, but if that is the case then we need to just stop using it or say that both parents preside over the home.Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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By "we," whom do you mean?Originally posted by Moliere View Post“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-ExuperyComment
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It's interesting to note that the Latin root of preside means to "guard".Originally posted by LA Ute View PostComment
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"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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Maybe to an actuary...Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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It's interesting to note that the Latin root of actuary means a "short-hand writer".Originally posted by Moliere View PostComment
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Here is how the church (via the Ensign) is defining what "preside" means:
Is it not the wife's duty to ensure the marriage and family prosper? Seems like she has equal part in that as well.The husband’s patriarchal duty as one who presides in the home is not to rule over others but to ensure that the marriage and the family prosper.
Is the wife also accountable for growth and happiness in marriage? I'd say yes and I think most members would agree.The husband is accountable for growth and happiness in his marriage, but this accountability does not give him authority over his wife. Both are in charge of the marriage. In righteous marriage councils both spouses share a set of virtues that when applied help them focus on each other.
So presiding means working together in marriage?We cannot use the priesthood to assert power and influence. Therefore, we can’t use unrighteous means to establish dominance in marriage. True power comes only when we work together in righteousness and so qualify for blessings from the Lord.
I don't disagree with the article at all as I think my wife is just as accountable as me for our marriage and family. But where I'm confused is really what it means to preside and how that role is different than my wife's role. Seems like she has the same role but we just don't call it "presiding".
Anyway, it's a pet peeve of mine. I have a general rule that if you have to perform mental gymnastics to explain something or if you have to redefine a term from a generally accepted definition, then chances are you are just wrong."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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But you're an auditor. What you do find interesting gives most of society the heebie-jeebies.Originally posted by Moliere View Post“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-ExuperyComment
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The husband’s patriarchal duty as one who presides in the home is not to rule over others but to ensure that the marriage and the family prosper.
The husband is accountable for growth and happiness in his marriage, but this accountability does not give him authority over his wife. Both are in charge of the marriage. In righteous marriage councils both spouses share a set of virtues that when applied help them focus on each other.
We cannot use the priesthood to assert power and influence. Therefore, we can’t use unrighteous means to establish dominance in marriage. True power comes only when we work together in righteousness and so qualify for blessings from the Lord.pre·side verb \pri-ˈzīd\
pre·sid·ed pre·sid·ing
Definition of PRESIDE
intransitive verb
1: to exercise guidance, direction, or control
2
a : to occupy the place of authority : act as president, chairman, or moderator
b : to occupy a position similar to that of a president or chairman
3 : to occupy a position of featured instrumental performer —usually used with at <presided at the organ>
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"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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