Women teaching patriarchy to women.

[Babs]

Babs, stop flirting with UtahDan's wife.

ohmygoodness, you're absolutely right! I'd hate to get her in trouble for flirting - you know how he hates that kind of thing. I don't know what got into me.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Ya really hit the wasps nest with this topic, didn't ya dear?

Welcome! Don't be shy.

[SeattleUte]

Christianity, in general, is pretty patriarchal and misogynistic. You don't need to be a member of our church to comment in this thread. Your experience, when it comes to a woman's role in the church, is likely not that different from all of ours.

This is true. But Mormonisn's very appeal is its uniquely retro version of Christianity. Mormonism is nothing if not a far right outpost in the Christian landscape, and all the more potent for its somewhat successful efforts to balance atavism with a craving for mainstream acceptance and recognition.

[JohnnyLingo]

This was certainly true in my mission. Multiples of women were baptized before men.

Apparently this is the trend in most missions, but for some reason, Malagasy women were in general much more reluctant to accept what we were preaching, while their husbands were usually more believing.

[ERCougar]

This is true. But Mormonisn's very appeal is its uniquely retro version of Christianity. Mormonism is nothing if not a far right outpost in the Christian landscape, and all the more potent for its somewhat successful efforts to balance atavism with a craving for mainstream acceptance and recognition.

Have you spent much time outside of the Pacific Northwest?

[SuperGabers]

You're married to him?? Gosh. It must be awfully hard being married to a real-life condescending misogynist!!

Honey, what have you been telling these good folks about our marriage?

ps... Babs. you can TOTALLY flirt with me. I think the boys would like it.

[I.J. Reilly]

You will never find evidence, but you can reason this one through. When your personal theories start leading to weird conclusions such as 'half the population of the world significantly lacks the tools to fulfill life's greatest purpose,' that is reason to question your theory.

This is an inappropriate reading of what I have written. I believe that your reading comprehension skills are better than that. I have made no such statement like "half the population...significantly lacks the tools to fulfill life's greatest purpose". This is a jump from what I did say, which is that women are more inclined to be open to the promptings of the spirit. Com'on

[Tex]

I'm a little surprised to see the hostility in this thread to the idea that women might have an especial inherent sensitivity to the Spirit. It's as though in the effort to make men and women equal, folks also wants to make them identical. In my opinion, this is a mistake.

We should extol the differences between the sexes. Each brings something to the table that the other does not. In particular, I believe women have a tendency toward kindness, gentleness, and love that simply does not come easily to men. Does this make them "more spiritual"? *Shrug* My anecdotal observations have taught me that women seem to listen to the Spirit more readily than men, but of course it isn't universally true. It's also not doctrine. But I don't get my shorts in too tight a wad when someone says this is why they don't have the priesthood (i.e., because they are spiritual enough already). While doctrinally incorrect and maybe a little condescending, I think it's usually meant as a compliment, however clumsy.

I also really don't think this has anything to do with priesthood leadership. Men are not called to high office based on a spiritual barometer. No bishop or stake president has claim to the title "most spiritual man" and I'm pretty sure the vast majority would decline were it offered. Similarly, the absence of women (by rule) in priesthood leadership is not indicative of any collective or individual spirituality (or lack thereof). That is a very bad measuring stick.

[Babs]

Honey, what have you been telling these good folks about our marriage?

ps... Babs. you can TOTALLY flirt with me. I think the boys would like it.

I don't know...I'd hate for us to make any decisions on our own. We'd better ask our husbands first.

[Babs]

I'm a little surprised to see the hostility in this thread to the idea that women might have an especial inherent sensitivity to the Spirit.

You miss the point entirely. The hostility (if you wish to identify the sentiment as that) is rooted in the fact that the woman's purported inclination toward spiritual awareness is being used as an excuse for disqualifying women from the priesthood. That kind of argument is both condescending and an insult to the female intelligence.

[tooblue]

You miss the point entirely. The hostility (if you wish to identify the sentiment as that) is rooted in the fact that the woman's purported inclination toward spiritual awareness is being used as an excuse for disqualifying women from the priesthood. That kind of argument is both condescending and an insult to the female intelligence.

Barbara is right and her so called hostility is valid. There needs to be a better understanding as to why this type of attitude is still prevalent in the church ... and I would add in society in general.

Of course a bunch of men sitting around debating the issue with one or two woman chiming in is just a little bit ridiculous, if not pathetic.

[byu71]

Of course a bunch of men sitting around debating the issue with one or two woman chiming is just a little bit ridiculous, if not pathetic.[/QUOTE]



Do you have any problem with men determining what women can wear on the BYU campus?

[tooblue]

Of course a bunch of men sitting around debating the issue with one or two woman chiming is just a little bit ridiculous, if not pathetic.

Do you have any problem with men determining what women can wear on the BYU campus?

I never attended BYU. As a private institution it has the right to create rules of all kinds -- regardless of wether they were put in place by men or woman. I will add that if one does not like those rules then do not attend that institution.

[byu71]

I never attended BYU. As a private institution it has the right to create rules of all kinds -- regardless of wether they were put in place by men or woman. I will add that if one does not like those rules then do not attend that institution.

By the same token men discussing the subject of women without an equal number of women doesn't seem ridiculous to me. Men make rules for women and men discuss women. Neither seems ridiculous to me.

[Jeff Lebowski]

As a private institution it has the right to create rules of all kinds ....... I will add that if one does not like those rules then do not attend that institution.

I hate that type of response to criticism of BYU.