exmo.com comes to WashPo

[Indy Coug]

Whether it is or not, that is a pretty low bar, no?

Amazingly enough, Mormons are human too.

[RobinFinderson]

Amazingly enough, Mormons are human too.

Says the lizard-man from Kolob.

[Indy Coug]

Says the lizard-man from Kolob.

People tripping on acid are human too.

[RobinFinderson]

People tripping on acid are human too.

Ha! I always knew you were a closeted hippie.

[creekster]

So she is overly sensitive (whiny) and either doesn't care about the truth or knows she is lying (intentionally or recklessly using her positon to promote ideas and prejudices that are false and misleading). But she is not flawed. When you say flawed, what do you mean? What do you imagine I might mean by that?

If someone were thumping their BOM and I said they were overly sensitive and didn't care about the truth or lying, you would jump to their defense whether you agreed with their underlying points or not. Because them being in error would be a more likely explanation for what they are saying than would be the foregoing.

Read again, my boy; I never said she was flawed. I said I don't think ANYONE is saying that. You were the first to refer to the idea. I think she is fine. I really don't care about her choice. Life goes on.

See, you are speculating about what I might do (and I think you are wrong). By contrast, I am just telling you you surprise me by what you actually did do, which is defend such a whiny diatribe as that column. But, if that's how you see it, I will chalk it up to a further insight about you and move on.

[UtahDan]

Amazingly enough, Mormons are human too.

LA is anyway. Probably Jeff too.

[wally]

Were they all as flawed as the first page of this thread suggests you and others see her as? Look at all the things that just you have called her. Shallow, hyperbolic, ranting, axe-grinding, conspiracy believing. How else to explain someone whose view of reality is so wide of the mark? My point in saying that these stories are common is to highlight for you that you don't need any of the defects you are suggesting to get where she is. Enough people are there that it seems to be a pretty normal response given the right set of conditions.

The claim that believers often ascribe non-belief to flaws in the person of one kind or another is one that most people here would reject at least for themselves, I think. But it kind of looks to me like that is what was happening. Thinking she is wrong is valid. Thinking she is flawed and off her rocker isn't.

Venue matters. She is writing her opinion in the washinton post, during a presidential election year when one of the chief candidates is mormon and she just happens to be a political commentator. She begins the article with politics and then transitions to some of her angst and heartbreak later on into it.

Is it fair to compare private and/or personal communication to an op-ed piece?

[Eddie]

I invent a great street name for President Monson AND I make a quality The Wire reference, and I only get ONE tip-o'-the-hat? You people suck.

I have to say Robin, once your story had T Monson throwing a sucker wrapper on the floor, you lost me. Way too out of character.

So I just couldn't follow the rest of the conversation after that.

[UtahDan]

Venue matters. She is writing her opinion in the washinton post, during a presidential election year when one of the chief candidates is mormon and she just happens to be a political commentator. She begins the article with politics and then transitions to some of her angst and heartbreak later on into it.

Is it fair to compare private and/or personal communication to an op-ed piece?

Had she used her platform to praise the church should her comments be viewed with skepticism?

[Indy Coug]

Had she used her platform to praise the church should her comments be viewed with skepticism?

If it was a poorly crafted emotional diatribe chock full of hyperbole and inaccuracies, yes.

[creekster]

Had she used her platform to praise the church should her comments be viewed with skepticism?

By who? And is this your standard? Any criticism is invalid or improper if you are a believer? Wouldn't it depend on exactly what was said? Why are you deaf to the fact that her column was simply inaccurate and false, especially coming from someone who should know better? That is the basis for most of our complaints.

[LA Ute]

Adult children have zero responsibility to their parents in the way of living a religion. Parents have 100% of the responsibility in this, IMO. Kids should be respectful, but that's the extent of it. This thing we do in the Mormon church of weeping and wailing over wayward children is pretty ridiculous. Several old people in my ward get up and talk about the trials of their life dealing with children who have gone astray. Makes me think, big surprise with parents like that why they chose a different path.

I can't tell whether you are disagreeing with me or not. My experience (and my preference) is that the sadness over a child who has left the faith is deep, but quite private.

[UtahDan]

Read again, my boy; I never said she was flawed. I said I don't think ANYONE is saying that. You were the first to refer to the idea. I think she is fine. I really don't care about her choice. Life goes on.

See, you are speculating about what I might do (and I think you are wrong). By contrast, I am just telling you you surprise me by what you actually did do, which is defend such a whiny diatribe as that column. But, if that's how you see it, I will chalk it up to a further insight about you and move on.

Disregard for the the truth and telling lies are pretty universally considered to be flaws.

[RobinFinderson]

I have to say Robin, once your story had T Monson throwing a sucker wrapper on the floor, you lost me. Way too out of character.

So I just couldn't follow the rest of the conversation after that.

Have you watched The Wire? I've created a mashup of Marlo and President Monson (Prez-mo-T.) This is gangsta-Monson.

[creekster]

Disregard for the the truth and telling lies are pretty universally considered to be flaws.

Really? I see it as a mistake. It must be the Christian in me, I guess.