I learned in church today

[il Padrino Ute]

Yesterday some woman gave a fervent blessing on the French people, to help them get through the terrorist tragedy, and to find peace. Nothing for the Russians, however, who are probably more religious than the French.

A woman gave a blessing? What are you, Episcopalian?

[Topper]

A woman gave a blessing? What are you, Episcopalian?

or the mythical Pope Joan, I mean John the VIIIth?

http://www.biography.com/people/pope...279083#profile

[il Padrino Ute]

or the mythical Pope Joan, I mean John the VIIIth?

http://www.biography.com/people/pope...279083#profile

I've never heard about this. Interesting.

[Topper]

I've never heard about this. Interesting.

It is dismissed by Catholics and most scholars though there are some alternative theories. During the time period, when French popes proliferated, those rejected mostly by the Italians, in the 11th to 12th centuries, lots of weird stuff happened.

You could do a bunch of great crime and political corruption mysteries involving popes. Some the worst include:

1. Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.

2. Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

3. Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy.


4. Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is ridiculed Dante's Divine Comedy, by ascribing him to be in the 8th Circle of Hell for his Simonies. He is portrayed as destined for hell, where simony is punished, although Boniface was still alive at the fictional date of the poem's story. Boniface's eventual destiny is revealed to Dante by Pope Nicholas III, whom he meets. A bit later in the Inferno, we are reminded of the pontiff's feud with the Colonna family, which led him to demolish the city of Palestrina, killing 6,000 citizens and destroying both the home of Julius Caesar and a shrine to the Blessed Virgin Mary

5. Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.

6. Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, [who actually had a Spanish name, Borja, but wanted the Italian authority] who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.

7. Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony.

8. Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

I like to remember the sordid history of the papacy when people are wont to regale me with the "Holiness" of the office.

And Catholic financial corruption continues to this day. An interesting expose is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNBLkzckRf8

And if you are interested, an interesting read:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Vatican-Ex.../dp/1591020654

[lambdacoug]

or the mythical Pope Joan, I mean John the VIIIth?

http://www.biography.com/people/pope...279083#profile

The best part, IMO, is that disguised as a man she fell in love with a fellow monk. So to all other eyes, they were a gay couple. Kind of like the Crying Game, but in reverse, gay dude falls in love with another dude, only to find out...yada, yada

[Walter Sobchak]

Per HC talk today, we should listen to conference talks when we workout.

Also, same dude says we should seek after "an Enos experience". This guy's speech affectation (couldn't place it) made his long E's sound kinda like long A's. At the beginning of his talk, the HC informed us his is assigned to the Stake's YSA Ward. I hope those kids aren't getting the wrong message.

[Pelado]

[TripletDaddy]

I hate step 9!

[falafel]

What did you learn? that the Church has an addiction recovery program that they stole from AA/NA/GA/OEA/SA?

[Pelado]

What did you learn? that the Church has an addiction recovery program that they stole from AA/NA/GA/OEA/SA?

I learned that I should have followed the DDD method of 3rd hour attendance.

[falafel]

I learned that I should have followed the DDD method of 3rd hour attendance.

Maybe instead of following DDD's third hour advice, you should follow the programs' third step advice.

[CardiacCoug]

Teens shouldn't look at porn because their parents will probably kick them out of the house for it. My son leaned over to me and whispered "You looked at porn: OUT OF MY HOUSE!"

[Bo Diddley]

Teens shouldn't look at porn because their parents will probably kick them out of the house for it. My son leaned over to me and whispered "You looked at porn: OUT OF MY HOUSE!"

Enabler.

[Bo Diddley]

We had stake conference. Pretty good meeting. It was the first conference for our new Stake President, other than the one in which he was called and sustained.

The theme of the meeting seemed to be building our foundation on the rock of Jesus Christ.

Sabbath observance was one of the topics. He emphasized that it is an individual family's choice as to what proper Sabbath Day observance means, and that we should be agreeing on what traditions for observance we want to have in our families. Also, that no one should be judging others over their choices.

He also touched on when we think that what the Bruthern say is off, we should study the issues and seek the Spirit, and not rush to condemn them.

[myboynoah]

We had stake conference. Pretty good meeting. It was the first conference for our new Stake President, other than the one in which he was called and sustained.

The theme of the meeting seemed to be building our foundation on the rock of Jesus Christ.

Sabbath observance was one of the topics. He emphasized that it is an individual family's choice as to what proper Sabbath Day observance means, and that we should be agreeing on what traditions for observance we want to have in our families. Also, that no one should be judging others over their choices.

He also touched on when we think that what the Bruthern say is off, we should study the issues and seek the Spirit, and not rush to condemn them.

Your SP sounds crazy out of touch.