Wah-hoo-wah! BYU @ Virginia

[Shaka]

So you aren't suggesting it ... but then you say you want to go back to the standards of the 90s. I am now thoroughly confused. Are you suggesting it or not?

It's not a suggestion because they would never do it. However it is something I would prefer.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting that the culture at BYU, a culture that is partially derived from the student body, Might not be palatable to some prospective athletes that ten years ago might have been more open to attending.

Also I would personally like to see BYU return to the academic standards of the 90s. I think it was much more fun And inclusive.

And by the way, BYU did not change standards since the 90s. More are more students apply to BYU and there is a cap on enrollment and so each year it gets tougher and tougher to get in. There is no way to return to "the academic standards of the 90s" unless they decide to admit 50,000 students instead of 30,000. In spite of those darned high standards, more kids want to get into BYU than ever before.

[All-American]

Stanford has a much broader Selection of geeks from which to choose.

So in the past 5 to 10 years, BYU had a solid O-line and got too geeky to replace them, and the number of geeks in the world shot up exponentially so as to turn Stanford, which hithertofore royally sucked, into a national power. What else have I missed?

[Jarid in Cedar]

I learned that people really care where they attend nursing school

[Surfah]

Weber is the biggest reason our OL recruiting has been down in recent years. I expect with Anae and 2J it will tick back up to what we were used even without any more Reynolds.

[USUC]

I think that has to be a big part of it. Sizzle said kids weren't high on Grimes. I think that's a resonable explanation. Is it a combination of Grimes just wasn't a good evaluator, recruiter, and then didn't do a good job coaching them up? Seems plausible. The tone regarding o-line recruiting seemed to shift pretty noticeably once Anae and 2J took over. Hopefully that yields some dividends.

I think you mean Weber not Grimes. We shall see what kind of coach, evaluator, and recruiter Weber is at USU. they are supposed to have the best O-line in the state coming into this year.

[MarkGrace]

I think you mean Weber not Grimes. We shall see what kind of coach, evaluator, and recruiter Weber is at USU. they are supposed to have the best O-line in the state coming into this year.

Oops. Yeah, Weber.

[old_gregg]

My niece, who's currently finishing up a nursing degree, chose UVU over BYU. One of the reasons was she didn't want to attend BYU was she didn't feel like she fit in as well at BYU. Part of the reason was the student body. Her parents, both BYU alumni, supported the decision because they feel the culture at BYU has changed.

Some people factor in things other than academics when choosing a school.


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that is a bad decision on just about every level. uvu has everything that is bad about byu with none of the academic prestige.

[pellegrino]

that is a bad decision on just about every level. uvu has everything that is bad about byu with none of the academic prestige.

their nursing graduates get jobs just like the BYU nursing graduates, and guess what, they pay them the same!

[Pelado]

I think it is being oversold but I do think playing for a conference championship is a way to provide meaningful goals for your team and maintain focus which yields better results. Players also like to win conference honors. It is a minor point but every little bit helps. Players like access to a meaningful postseason. Players like to play big time games but they also like meaningful rivalries that carry over from year to year.

The conference honors makes a lot more sense than just the conference championship reasoning that's been bandied about.

I could also see kids (and their parents) prefering a PAC or BIG team over BYU, but not just because of the conference affiliation. I have a hard time believing there are many kids (or parents) who wouldn't choose BYU as an independent but would choose BYU as a MWC member.

[Flystripper]

Wah-hoo-wah! BYU @ Virginia

This conversation is hilarious. First it started off as byu cant recruit because of independence and then it morphed into BYU can't recruit because it is too nerdy. Now we are talking about nursing programs? Wow.

BYU is pretty much the same school as far as student athletes are concerned as its been for 20 years. Indy is a new phenomenon. There might be some merit to discussing how independence could impact recruiting in the long run because it is a recent change, but discussing honor code enforcement and geek quotients of its current students is not enlightening. It is tired and old. Does it have some impact? Sure it does but it has been this way for 20 years.

[CardiacCoug]

that is a bad decision on just about every level. uvu has everything that is bad about byu with none of the academic prestige.

Nope, really not much difference between the nursing schools. I think all university-associated nursing schools in Utah are considered similar: BYU, UofU, Westminster, UVU, Weber State, even SLCC are pretty comparable.

The only way you can go wrong with a nursing degree is to shell out a ton of money for one from one of these small for-profit outfits (Ameritech, Fortis, Broadview, etc).

[myboynoah]

This conversation is hilarious. First it started off as byu cant recruit because of independence and then it morphed into BYU can't recruit because it is too nerdy. Now we are talking about nursing programs? Wow.

BYU is pretty much the same school as far as student athletes are concerned as its been for 20 years. Indy is a new phenomenon. There might be some merit to discussing how independence could impact recruiting in the long run because it is a recent change, but discussing honor code enforcement and geek quotients of its current students is not enlightening. It is tired and old. Does it have some impact? Sure it does but it has been this way for 20 years.

Maybe we're losing 5* o-line recruits to UVU because of the nursing program?

[Flystripper]

The conference honors makes a lot more sense than just the conference championship reasoning that's been bandied about.

I could also see kids (and their parents) prefering a PAC or BIG team over BYU, but not just because of the conference affiliation. I have a hard time believing there are many kids (or parents) who wouldn't choose BYU as an independent but would choose BYU as a MWC member.

I don't think you are wrong. I think independence will indirectly impact recruiting more than being the specific reason a kid chooses another school. Kids choose schools because they are good programs on many different levels. It is my position that independence will make BYU a worse program overall in the long run. So while independence isn't the reason cited by the kid that picks a different school. It may be a contributing factor in BYUs slide into mediocrity.

We have not been at it long enough to have a meaningful impact yet and it is not the reason for a weak stable of olinemen.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Nope, really not much difference between the nursing schools. I think all university-associated nursing schools in Utah are considered similar: BYU, UofU, Westminster, UVU, Weber State, even SLCC are pretty comparable.

The only way you can go wrong with a nursing degree is to shell out a ton of money for one from one of these small for-profit outfits (Ameritech, Fortis, Broadview, etc).

Yep