Wah-hoo-wah! BYU @ Virginia

[Sizzle]

I think that has to be a big part of it. Sizzle said kids weren't high on Grimes. I think that's a resonable explanation. Is it a combination of Grimes just wasn't a good evaluator, recruiter, and then didn't do a good job coaching them up? Seems plausible. The tone regarding o-line recruiting seemed to shift pretty noticeably once Anae and 2J took over. Hopefully that yields some dividends.

Weber. Kids probably weren't high on Weber. Grimes was the guy before of whom Weber benefitted from his work/teaching guys, who is now an assistant coach at Auburn.

[Non Sequitur]

that is a bad decision on just about every level. uvu has everything that is bad about byu with none of the academic prestige.

I've dealt with both BYU and UVU computer science grads and have been much more impressed with the UVU graduates. Prestige is overrated.

[Pelado]

I don't think you are wrong. I think independence will indirectly impact recruiting more than being the specific reason a kid chooses another school. Kids choose schools because they are good programs on many different levels. It is my position that independence will make BYU a worse program overall in the long run. So while independence isn't the reason cited by the kid that picks a different school. It may be a contributing factor in BYUs slide into mediocrity.

We have not been at it long enough to have a meaningful impact yet and it is not the reason for a weak stable of olinemen.

Ok, I see where you're coming from. I also hope you're wrong since I don't want to return to the MWC.

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[Solon]

You're still missing the objection here. Are offensive lineman (this seems to have spared the DL too) uniquely attracted to partying, 'cruising chicks', and playing in bands?

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Stereotypically, offensive linemen are totally known for being huge chick-magnets and academically sub-standard. LOL.
Probably the opposite.

[old_gregg]

Nope, really not much difference between the nursing schools. I think all university-associated nursing schools in Utah are considered similar: BYU, UofU, Westminster, UVU, Weber State, even SLCC are pretty comparable.

The only way you can go wrong with a nursing degree is to shell out a ton of money for one from one of these small for-profit outfits (Ameritech, Fortis, Broadview, etc).

Yep

assuming someone ends up graduating in the field of study they plan on when they start college, that decision is less crazy. but byu and uvu tuition are almost equal and there is only a risk that a student studies some other field for which uvu is a poor choice.

[CardiacCoug]

assuming someone ends up graduating in the field of study they plan on when they start college, that decision is less crazy. but byu and uvu tuition are almost equal and there is only a risk that a student studies some other field for which uvu is a poor choice.

Sure, I can't imagine a situation in which I would tell my kids to choose UVU over BYU.

[Jarid in Cedar]

assuming someone ends up graduating in the field of study they plan on when they start college, that decision is less crazy. but byu and uvu tuition are almost equal and there is only a risk that a student studies some other field for which uvu is a poor choice.

I don't see the parallel you are drawing.

Nursing is a program that you apply to and are accepted. You don't enter nursing school otherwise. Most applicants to a specific nursing program did not attend that school for their prerequisites.

[Surfah]

Holy hell. This is what you get when you lose to the worst team in the ACC. :igiveup:

[CJF]

Weber. Kids probably weren't high on Weber. Grimes was the guy before of whom Weber benefitted from his work/teaching guys, who is now an assistant coach at Auburn.

He was a casualty of the Auburn/Gene Chizik fiasco last year. He's now the OL coach at V-Tech. I was hoping Bronco could entice him back this last offseason. I miss Grimes.

Oh, and this thread needs to be locked. Time for all of us to move on.

[lambdacoug]

I've dealt with both BYU and UVU computer science grads and have been much more impressed with the UVU graduates. Prestige is overrated.

Grrr...

Although I must admit you are right. I've worked with some people from some great schools and I've found the school has much less to do with the quality of programmer than the person. One of the best programmers I've ever worked with graduated from DeVry.

[Uncle Ted]

I've dealt with both BYU and UVU computer science grads and have been much more impressed with the UVU graduates. Prestige is overrated.

BYU computer engineering grads, on the other hand, rock! :rockon1:

[Goatnapper'96]

That was one of the crappiest losses I have experienced as a BYU fan. However, to enjoy the sweet nectar of being a grown man brought to tears of uncontrollable joy or bouts of screaming like a teenage Beetles female groupie, one has to wade through the sorrows of losses that miserable. There must be opposition.

[byu71]

Dissapointing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if you are playing the odds, Hill wasn't throwing the ball well enough and with the bad conditions, just a bad play call. Sure it could have worked, but with what was going on the chances were less than 50/50.

I am looking forward to Saturday. I think we can win and that will be a lot of fun. Even if we lose, we at least will lose to somebody and even to a lesser extent, that was true of last Saturday.

I said for years BYU was headed to mediocrity. I hoped to be proven wrong and actually have more of a glimmer of hope that we will come out of this than I did a few years ago.

As time goes on I am hopeful the powers that be including the coach more and more give up on the idea that because they are BYU they will out "intelligence" everyone else and that will make up for talent. It will become more about the talent on the field than the "wonderfulness" of the institution.

Meanwhile, acceptance of who you are is a wonderful thing. I was over the loss in 5 minutes and looking forward to this Saturday.

[FMCoug]

Grrr...

Although I must admit you are right. I've worked with some people from some great schools and I've found the school has much less to do with the quality of programmer than the person. One of the best programmers I've ever worked with graduated from DeVry.

It should make sense that vocational schools (and UVU is much closer to that level than BYU) would turn out better programmers. They are more current in what they teach and do and tend to attract students who are focused on becoming good at that one thing.

Neumont University in South Jordan turns out fantastic programmers.

[Uncle Ted]

I think Brandon Ogletree nailed it...

BYU ran 93 offensive plays for a total of 16 points and 4 turnovers. As stat guru Greg Wrubell tweeted after the game, NONE of BYU’s 18 drives took longer than 2 minutes and 30 seconds. In my opinion, such low output is an anomaly for a Robert Anae offense, and there are a lot of positives to take away from the game. This game was a reality check for a lot of fans because of the high hopes for this offense, but at the same it must be remembered that this is the first time any one of these players have ever played a game in this scheme. Also, three or four starters on the O Line (depending on how you label Stringham and Kafu) were new, and the best player on the offense was on the sideline with an injured hamstring. Excuses don’t mean anything, and I’m not trying to make any, but I do think there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic about what this offense can do.
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The bottom line with this defense is they will play well enough to keep BYU in every single game. Sure they could have forced more turnovers; sure the 13-yard touchdown run after a sudden change late in the 4th was unfortunate. They could have tackled better on a handful of plays. But giving up 17 points (which probably would have been a lot less if Virginia had to drive the length of the field) should be enough to beat every team on the schedule this year if the offense is playing to their potential.

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