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  • pelagius
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 5288

    #391
    Originally posted by Moliere View Post
    18-2 is not luck. Didn't you take a stats class in college?
    Indy's right, you definitely don't want to go with "Didn't you take a stats class in college" in this situation (it deviates from stat class basics because we are not observing draws from a single random variable X but rather a cross-section X1, X2, .., Xn where n is reasonably large). But, on the other hand, Top Ute's follow up to PAC appears to have a bad statistical fallacy (what is often called the "law of small numbers") in his argument so it maybe you were just prescient.
    Last edited by pelagius; 09-11-2012, 11:27 AM.

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    • Indy Coug
      Heartless Bastard
      • Dec 2008
      • 18747

      #392
      There appears to be a very strong central tendency when it comes to close games, but there are a non-trivial number of teams that have seem to successfully over the long term cast off the shackles of the random coin flip. I think more research is needed, but I'm not sure I have the interest/energy to be that person.
      Everything in life is an approximation.

      http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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      • statman
        Rabblerouser
        • Aug 2009
        • 2799

        #393
        Originally posted by Top Ute View Post
        NCAA rules to prevent poaching of missionaries that are named after active players: BYU 1, Utah 0
        Why would an RM want to transfer to Utah?

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        • Scorcho
          Junior Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 835

          #394
          Originally posted by statman View Post
          Why would an RM want to transfer to Utah?
          (football) maybe he has a dream of playing in the Rose Bowl,

          (basketball) or maybe he fears having to help pull out the wooden bleachers in WCC Gym’s could hurt his back.

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          • Indy Coug
            Heartless Bastard
            • Dec 2008
            • 18747

            #395
            Originally posted by statman View Post
            Why would an RM want to transfer to Utah?
            They got used to being around a bunch of evil non-believers.
            Everything in life is an approximation.

            http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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            • creekster
              It is NOT a monkey!
              • Nov 2008
              • 22661

              #396
              Originally posted by Top Ute View Post
              NCAA rules to prevent poaching of missionaries that are named after active players: BYU 1, Utah 0
              Theres a rule against poaching missionaries named after active players? That's weird and the scenario seems very unlikely in any event.
              PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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              • Top Ute
                Junior Member
                • May 2010
                • 2194

                #397
                Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                Indy's right, you definitely don't want to go with "Didn't you take a stats class in college" in this situation (it deviates from stat class basics because we are not observing draws from a single random variable X but rather a cross-section X1, X2, .., Xn where n is reasonably large). But, on the other hand, Top Ute's follow up to PAC appears to have a bad statistical fallacy (what is often called the "law of small numbers") in his argument so it maybe you were just prescient.
                I thought the mention of the past and Crowton's history in this regard was sufficient enough to indicate that I am more than aware that a 20-game sample size isn't sufficient enough to explain what I was trying to explain -- something I knew Indy would do much better anyway.

                But an 18-2 multi-year run in games decided by 7 points or less is flat-out goofy. I wouldn't be surprised if no team in the history of college football had a similar or better run.

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                • Lost Student
                  BAND!
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 4324

                  #398
                  Originally posted by creekster View Post
                  Theres a rule against poaching missionaries named after active players? That's weird and the scenario seems very unlikely in any event.
                  I'm sure there will be a lot of Taysoms born in the next few years, but I believe you're correct--by the time those young Taysoms are missionaries, T. Hill will have used up his eligibility. Then again, does he have a redshirt to burn still?
                  "Seriously, is there a bigger high on the whole face of the earth than eating a salad?"--SeattleUte
                  "The only Ute to cause even half the nationwide hysteria of Jimmermania was Ted Bundy."--TripletDaddy
                  This is a tough, NYC broad, a doctor who deals with bleeding organs, dying people and testicles on a regular basis without crying."--oxcoug
                  "I'm not impressed (and I'm even into choreography . . .)"--Donuthole
                  "I too was fortunate to leave with my same balls."--byu71

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                  • U-Ute
                    Non member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 2071

                    #399
                    Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                    Who will be in attendance? Let's get a roll call going.

                    Here.
                    I'll be rockin in the NEZ.

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                    • U-Ute
                      Non member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 2071

                      #400
                      Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                      Because very few of us here were conscious of college football (or pretty much anything else) prior to 1970. Utah should bring in stats from the 30s and 40s, though. It's like Persia justifiably claiming more military victories than the U.S.
                      A few fans from Notre Dame would like a word with you.

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                      • LA Ute
                        Receiver of Memory
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 19512

                        #401
                        Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                        LA Ute, just for future reference (this is not some sort of rhetorical trick just curious) can you define what your consider poor, good, great, etc seasons?

                        Something like:
                        Great: top 10
                        good: top 11-20
                        Succesful: 21-40
                        Mediocre: 41-60
                        Poor: 60-80
                        Worth firing: > 80
                        (Cliche alert.) It depends. Generally what you've listed strikes me as a good set of objective standards. From a fan standpoint, however, which is usually anything but objective, many other factors come into play. For example, in 2011 I hoped/believed Utah would win 7-8 games, maybe 9 if they got really lucky. That was before Wynn went down and Whit had to throw John Hays into the fire. As Top Ute says, an 8-win first-year season in the PAC-12 with a D-II QB is nothing to be embarrassed about. I was very happy with the 2011 season and recognize how close it was to being a disaster.
                        “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                        ― W.H. Auden


                        "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                        -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                        "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                        --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                        • LA Ute
                          Receiver of Memory
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 19512

                          #402
                          Originally posted by statman View Post
                          Why would an RM want to transfer to Utah?
                          Character flaws are everywhere. RMs sometimes suffer from them too.
                          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                          ― W.H. Auden


                          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                          • Scorcho
                            Junior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 835

                            #403
                            Originally posted by U-Ute View Post
                            A few fans from Notre Dame would like a word with you.
                            my wife constantly tells me that I'm acting like a teenager, that equates to Utah leading the series 12-7.

                            That deserves an air hump.

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                            • YOhio
                              Hipster Mode
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 26165

                              #404

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                              • YOhio
                                Hipster Mode
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 26165

                                #405

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