Penn State pedophilia

[MartyFunkhouser]

There is a special place in Hell reserved for people who sexually abuse a child. Working in the job that I do right now, I've also started believing there is a wing in that special place reserved for those who commit psychological abuse of children by coaching them to report and/or believe they were sexually abused when they were not. I now also realize there is a third wing in that place in Hell reserved for the likes of Joe Paterno, McQueary, and all the others who put football above protecting children.

Everything surrounding this thing makes me sick.

[creekster]

I'm amazed how many people are willing to give these people a pass for breath takingly immoral behavior because they arguably followed the letter of the law. The law often allows what honor forbids.

On a separate note, they are making a massive error by allowing Paterno to retire at the end of the season. He has shown for the last ten years that he is willing to shamelessly act in his own best interests and not those of this institution, but this time they should not let him. I think the integrity and future of the institution is at stake here and that everyone even tangentially related to this should be immediately, at a minimum, be put on administrative leave. The longer they wait to act and the more they dither the more the perception of implicit acceptance grows. If it were my alma matre I would be demanding exactly that. I really do believe the future of the whole institution is in some ways at stake here. They need to act like it.

I agree with both of these points. Even if it is too early to terminate paterno becasue the investigation is not complete, he should be suspended immediately.

[Pheidippides]

I'm amazed how many people are willing to give these people a pass for breath takingly immoral behavior because they arguably followed the letter of the law. The law often allows what honor forbids.

On a separate note, they are making a massive error by allowing Paterno to retire at the end of the season. He has shown for the last ten years that he is willing to shamelessly act in his own best interests and not those of this institution, but this time they should not let him. I think the integrity and future of the institution is at stake here and that everyone even tangentially related to this should be immediately, at a minimum, be put on administrative leave. The longer they wait to act and the more they dither the more the perception of implicit acceptance grows. If it were my alma matre I would be demanding exactly that. I really do believe the future of the whole institution is in some ways at stake here. They need to act like it.

I agree. And it's not too late. Fire them all. Send a real message that retiring in disgrace is not enough - can him anyway, football record be damned.

[UtahDan]

There is a special place in Hell reserved for people who sexually abuse a child. Working in the job that I do right now, I've also started believing there is a wing in that special place reserved for those who commit psychological abuse of children by coaching them to report and/or believe they were sexually abused when they were not. I now also realize there is a third wing in that place in Hell reserved for the likes of Joe Paterno, McQueary, and all the others who put football above protecting children.

Everything surrounding this thing makes me sick.

I think this is an important thing to be considered. We all know that there is a ton of money running through football and that most big programs are "dirty" in some fashion. But up until now I think it has been easy to think that dirty amounts mostly to running afoul of the NCAA, and organization that has little legitimacy with most fans unless it is beating up on a program they don't like.

But this, to me, is another data point on the graph that charts "the bad things that can happen when enough money is at stake."

[LiveCoug]

And then McQueary went to his office and called his father? What about the child? You observe a 10 year old boy being raped and you leave him there with the rapist? You then go and discuss options with your parent? I cant fathom this.

For that matter the GJ report syas the child saw McQ as well. How could you have that child look in your eyes and then leave to call your father? Inexcuseable.

Oh, I agree.

[BoylenOver]

Oh my.

[Green Monstah]

Oh, I agree.

You were just responding to the least relevant part of my response to point out I was wrong. Glad you agree.

[Green Monstah]

Oh my.

too soon.

[TripletDaddy]

Why post that picture? Are you expecting an LOL or something?

[Paperback Writer]

And then McQueary went to his office and called his father? What about the child? You observe a 10 year old boy being raped and you leave him there with the rapist? You then go and discuss options with your parent? I cant fathom this.

For that matter the GJ report syas the child saw McQ as well. How could you have that child look in your eyes and then leave to call your father? Inexcuseable.

I agree it is inexcusable but McQueary at the time was a young GA. Probably about 22 years old. He just finished a 4-year term as a player where he learned that his team was his family and that things are handled internally. It's not the same thing, but if a fight broke out between two players in the locker room where one punched (assaulted) the other, a player's instincts is to not call 911 but to go to a coach for assistance. When a former player witnesses this, its no surprise that he would go to the coach first and not the police. Soon after, if the non-paid GA thought his coaching career was in jeopardy (and it was), it's no surprise that he would call a parent for advice.

I think the problem we all have is that we all assume that McQueary did not come to the child's aid first. Perhaps he did and then Sandusky stopped the act. Perhaps McQueary was assured by Paterno that it would be taken care of with the authorities and was directed by Paterno (his boss) to not get involved further.

Many of us view this horrific act through the lens of a parent/father who is twice the age of McQueary when the events occurred not as someone just out of college (or perhaps still enrolled). It's not a perfect example, but if I'm a missionary or recent RM and I witness a church leader raping an adolescent, my instincts would have been to call my MP or SP; not the police. And then if I'm assured by the MP or SP that it would be dealt with, I probably do not take further action. Because I'm upset about it, I probably call my father to get his advice. Now as a father and someone twice the age of a young-GA; I would act very differently. I would certainly call the police immediately and make sure action was taken.

What upsets us is that McQueary may have not come to the immediate aid of the adolescent. I'm not sure the record is clear on this. If McQueary did not, there's no question his actions are indefensible. Because as a missionary, RM, or college student most would come to the aid of the helpless.

[UtahDan]

I agree it is inexcusable but McQueary at the time was a young GA. Probably about 22 years old. He just finished a 4-year term as a player where he learned that his team was his family and that things are handled internally. It's not the same thing, but if a fight broke out between two players in the locker room where one punched (assaulted) the other, a player's instincts is to not call 911 but to go to a coach for assistance. When a former player witnesses this, its no surprise that he would go to the coach first and not the police. Soon after, if the non-paid GA thought his coaching career was in jeopardy (and it was), it's no surprise that he would call a parent for advice.

I think the problem we all have is that we all assume that McQueary did not come to the child's aid first. Perhaps he did and then Sandusky stopped the act. Perhaps McQueary was assured by Paterno that it would be taken care of with the authorities and was directed by Paterno (his boss) to not get involved further.

Many of us view this horrific act through the lens of a parent/father who is twice the age of McQueary when the events occurred not as someone just out of college (or perhaps still enrolled). It's not a perfect example, but if I'm a missionary or recent RM and I witness a church leader raping an adolescent, my instincts would have been to call my MP or SP; not the police. And then if I'm assured by the MP or SP that it would be dealt with, I probably do not take further action. Because I'm upset about it, I probably call my father to get his advice. Now as a father and someone twice the age of a young-GA; I would act very differently. I would certainly call the police immediately and make sure action was taken.

What upsets us is that McQueary may have not come to the immediate aid of the adolescent. I'm not sure the record is clear on this. If McQueary did not, there's no question his actions are indefensible. Because as a missionary, RM, or college student most would come to the aid of the helpless.

Let's assume for a second that either a football program or missionary program creates a culture when you don't go to the police but handle things internally. Don't people think there is something that is sick (as in unwell, not necessarily disgusting) in a culture like that?

[Tone Loc]

Let's assume for a second that either a football program or missionary program creates a culture when you don't go to the police but handle things internally. Don't people think there is something that is sick (as in unwell, not necessarily disgusting) in a culture like that?

Good hell, Paperback writer will you please retract your post so we dont have to go down this road? So tiring.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

How about McQueary's dad? What is his obligation once he's been told, morally speaking? Seems amazing to think that a father would tell his son to hush it up for career reasons.

[TripletDaddy]

Let's assume for a second that either a football program or missionary program creates a culture when you don't go to the police but handle things internally. Don't people think there is something that is sick (as in unwell, not necessarily disgusting) in a culture like that?

Didn't get enough in the bikes vs cars thread, I see. Enjoy the vomit!

[creekster]

What upsets us is that McQueary may have not come to the immediate aid of the adolescent. I'm not sure the record is clear on this. If McQueary did not, there's no question his actions are indefensible. Because as a missionary, RM, or college student most would come to the aid of the helpless.

I don't want to read it again but my recollection is that the GJ report says the victim's ID was unknown. There is much description of McQ's actions and nary a word of assistance rendered to the child. While you might be correct that such was omitted, I think it unlikely.