Penn State pedophilia

[Eddie]

I'm sensing that remodeling the showers where some of the incidents happened isn't enough for you?

I may have missed the part where they did this, or the media is doing a bad job at reporting this...but just a little contrition and horror at what the victims experienced would go a LONG ways.

In their place, I would totally hijack any question or discussion. People ask about football? About the statue? About the name on the library?

Every question is answered with "We just feel horrible about what these victims experienced and right now our focus is on what needs to be done to make sure that they are OK and that something like this never happens again."

That's it. I know this has been hanging over them for a long time - but it isn't time to move forward quite yet. Particularly if you aren't planning to kill the program or tear down the statue. At least ACT like you are horrified instead of in denial. They seem to be nurturing the same type of environment that led to the problems in the first place.

[Coach McGuirk]

I wonder how long Joe knew?

Three men have told investigators that Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State defensive coordinator recently convicted of 45 counts of child sex abuse, molested them in the 1970s and 1980s, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, Pa., has reported, citing sources close to the case.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...0s-report-says

[CardiacCoug]

I wonder how long Joe knew?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...0s-report-says

Yeah, there's a good chance these guys were actual victims I think, but also a decent chance there will be people who were around Sandusky as kids during those years who might want to jump on the gravy train. The victims will rightfully be coming into a lot of money.

[Commando]

That's what they get for commissioning the blind girl from the Lionel Ritchie music video.

[Pheidippides]

I wonder how long Joe knew?




http://espn.go.com/college-football/...0s-report-says

Watching the video at the top of the article, for the first and probably last time in my life I agree with Stephen A. Smith. Skip Bayless, as always, is a spineless waste of space.

[YOhio]

Mark Emmert speaks.

In a PBS interview last night, NCAA President Mark Emmert said he doesn't want to "take anything off the table" if the NCAA determines penalties against Penn State are warranted.
Emmert said he's "never seen anything as egregious as this in terms of just overall conduct and behavior inside a university." He added, "What the appropriate penalties are, if there are determinations of violations, we'll have to decide."

[dabrockster]

Watching the video at the top of the article, for the first and probably last time in my life I agree with Stephen A. Smith. Skip Bayless, as always, is a spineless waste of space.

Skip Bayless actually said "This is the most over-reaction he has ever seen".. Are you effing kidding me.. We are talking about the molestation of kids... What a POS...

[Eddie]

Bayless says that the coverup didn't give PSU a "competitive advantage".

He needs to consider that a big part of the reason for the coverup was probably due to concern about what would happen to recruiting, donations, boosters, season tickets, etc. if/when all of this came to light. The competitive advantage was in not having to deal with the consequences of a coaches poor actions.

It is kind of strange to see Smith as the calm, cool, collected one while Bayless seems to be shouting at the camera and running on emotion. Weird.

Finally - I can see what Bayless is saying about creating secondary victims and punishing the current players, fans, students, business owners, etc. by administering the death penalty. These were my initial thoughts as well - that it harms so many people who deserve so much more.

So I've come to what I view as a fair alternative.

First - allow any current players to leave and go to any team they want. Heck - I'd even support PSU having to pay the cost of the scholarship to whatever team they transfer to. I even like Smith's idea of giving them an extra year of eligibility.

Second - let PSU continue to play football. Just remove all of their scholarships for the next 4 years. After that, maybe give them 20 scholarships in year 5, another 20 in year 6, and so forth until they have all of them back again. Essentially they can continue - but being competitive is going to be tough. And I don't care. I don't care if it takes them 15 years to get back to where they are. I don't care if it takes 20.

I would be OK with allowing them to go forward with this year - so other teams don't have a whole in their schedule they are scrambling to fill last minute. I would also be OK with them leaving that hole that has to be filled if they cancelled PSU's season this year.

Finally, this isn't the same as SMU and doesn't compare as far as concern about SMU's difficulty in recovering after the punishment. SMU lost their conference in the middle of everything else - had the SWC stuck around I don't think SMU would've struggled as mightily as they did to re-establish itself. If PSU remains in the Big X, and there is no reason to believe they won't, they will have added support of being in a big time conference in returning to a highly competitive team.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Bayless says that the coverup didn't give PSU a "competitive advantage".

He needs to consider that a big part of the reason for the coverup was probably due to concern about what would happen to recruiting, donations, boosters, season tickets, etc. if/when all of this came to light. The competitive advantage was in not having to deal with the consequences of a coaches poor actions.

It is kind of strange to see Smith as the calm, cool, collected one while Bayless seems to be shouting at the camera and running on emotion. Weird.

Finally - I can see what Bayless is saying about creating secondary victims and punishing the current players, fans, students, business owners, etc. by administering the death penalty. These were my initial thoughts as well - that it harms so many people who deserve so much more.

So I've come to what I view as a fair alternative.

First - allow any current players to leave and go to any team they want. Heck - I'd even support PSU having to pay the cost of the scholarship to whatever team they transfer to. I even like Smith's idea of giving them an extra year of eligibility.

Second - let PSU continue to play football. Just remove all of their scholarships for the next 4 years. After that, maybe give them 20 scholarships in year 5, another 20 in year 6, and so forth until they have all of them back again. Essentially they can continue - but being competitive is going to be tough. And I don't care. I don't care if it takes them 15 years to get back to where they are. I don't care if it takes 20.

I would be OK with allowing them to go forward with this year - so other teams don't have a whole in their schedule they are scrambling to fill last minute. I would also be OK with them leaving that hole that has to be filled if they cancelled PSU's season this year.

Finally, this isn't the same as SMU and doesn't compare as far as concern about SMU's difficulty in recovering after the punishment. SMU lost their conference in the middle of everything else - had the SWC stuck around I don't think SMU would've struggled as mightily as they did to re-establish itself. If PSU remains in the Big X, and there is no reason to believe they won't, they will have added support of being in a big time conference in returning to a highly competitive team.

Completely disagree. You name me one case of NCAA violations that is even remotely similar to this in terms of degree and impact. Nothing comes close. If you follow the logic of "Sanctions would be unfair to all of the innocent people involved" then the NCAA would never levy a punishment again, under any circumstances. May as well close up shop and go home. Yes, shutting down a program affects a lot of people. Boohoo. Some things are more important than football games.

How this wraps up is going to say a lot about American culture and values.

[Y84it]

Bayless says that the coverup didn't give PSU a "competitive advantage".

He needs to consider that a big part of the reason for the coverup was probably due to concern about what would happen to recruiting, donations, boosters, season tickets, etc. if/when all of this came to light. The competitive advantage was in not having to deal with the consequences of a coaches poor actions.

It is kind of strange to see Smith as the calm, cool, collected one while Bayless seems to be shouting at the camera and running on emotion. Weird.

Finally - I can see what Bayless is saying about creating secondary victims and punishing the current players, fans, students, business owners, etc. by administering the death penalty. These were my initial thoughts as well - that it harms so many people who deserve so much more.

So I've come to what I view as a fair alternative.

First - allow any current players to leave and go to any team they want. Heck - I'd even support PSU having to pay the cost of the scholarship to whatever team they transfer to. I even like Smith's idea of giving them an extra year of eligibility.

Second - let PSU continue to play football. Just remove all of their scholarships for the next 4 years. After that, maybe give them 20 scholarships in year 5, another 20 in year 6, and so forth until they have all of them back again. Essentially they can continue - but being competitive is going to be tough. And I don't care. I don't care if it takes them 15 years to get back to where they are. I don't care if it takes 20.

I would be OK with allowing them to go forward with this year - so other teams don't have a whole in their schedule they are scrambling to fill last minute. I would also be OK with them leaving that hole that has to be filled if they cancelled PSU's season this year.

Finally, this isn't the same as SMU and doesn't compare as far as concern about SMU's difficulty in recovering after the punishment. SMU lost their conference in the middle of everything else - had the SWC stuck around I don't think SMU would've struggled as mightily as they did to re-establish itself. If PSU remains in the Big X, and there is no reason to believe they won't, they will have added support of being in a big time conference in returning to a highly competitive team.

They could plug BYU right in! WE have an open November ~snicker~

[Mormon Red Death]

Bayless says that the coverup didn't give PSU a "competitive advantage".

He needs to consider that a big part of the reason for the coverup was probably due to concern about what would happen to recruiting, donations, boosters, season tickets, etc. if/when all of this came to light. The competitive advantage was in not having to deal with the consequences of a coaches poor actions.

It is kind of strange to see Smith as the calm, cool, collected one while Bayless seems to be shouting at the camera and running on emotion. Weird.

Finally - I can see what Bayless is saying about creating secondary victims and punishing the current players, fans, students, business owners, etc. by administering the death penalty. These were my initial thoughts as well - that it harms so many people who deserve so much more.

So I've come to what I view as a fair alternative.

First - allow any current players to leave and go to any team they want. Heck - I'd even support PSU having to pay the cost of the scholarship to whatever team they transfer to. I even like Smith's idea of giving them an extra year of eligibility.

Second - let PSU continue to play football. Just remove all of their scholarships for the next 4 years. After that, maybe give them 20 scholarships in year 5, another 20 in year 6, and so forth until they have all of them back again. Essentially they can continue - but being competitive is going to be tough. And I don't care. I don't care if it takes them 15 years to get back to where they are. I don't care if it takes 20.

I would be OK with allowing them to go forward with this year - so other teams don't have a whole in their schedule they are scrambling to fill last minute. I would also be OK with them leaving that hole that has to be filled if they cancelled PSU's season this year.

Finally, this isn't the same as SMU and doesn't compare as far as concern about SMU's difficulty in recovering after the punishment. SMU lost their conference in the middle of everything else - had the SWC stuck around I don't think SMU would've struggled as mightily as they did to re-establish itself. If PSU remains in the Big X, and there is no reason to believe they won't, they will have added support of being in a big time conference in returning to a highly competitive team.

Wouldnt a better punishment is that they can't have a home game for two years? They still make money so the other sports who are supported by the football team are still around. The current schollly players still get to at least play football.

[myboynoah]

Mark Emmert speaks.

If the NCAA opts to look into this, I don't know how they can't lower the boom on PSU. Once they take the first step, they are all in.

[YOhio]

Joe Paterno's Name To Remain On Joe Paterno Center For Covering Up Sexual Abuse.

[Eddie]

Completely disagree. You name me one case of NCAA violations that is even remotely similar to this in terms of degree and impact. Nothing comes close. If you follow the logic of "Sanctions would be unfair to all of the innocent people involved" then the NCAA would never levy a punishment again, under any circumstances. May as well close up shop and go home. Yes, shutting down a program affects a lot of people. Boohoo. Some things are more important than football games.

How this wraps up is going to say a lot about American culture and
values.

I think there is a HUGE difference between limiting scholarships and/or taking away post-season play versus the death penalty. I think the NCAA looks at SMU and the consequences of the death penalty and has a very hard time pulling the trigger again.

I'm OK with the death penalty. You'll see that just yesterday I was saying to burn the place down. I guess I'm just saying that if they see the death penalty as too severe, I could be satisfied by another severe consequence - like eliminating all scholarships for a time.

Wouldnt a better punishment is that they can't have a home game for two years? They still make money so the other sports who are supported by the football team are still around. The current schollly players still get to at least play football.

I like the fact that away games are tougher to win and the home team has a definite advantage. But I'm not sure that is enough. I could go with no home games for a couple of years along with other penalties. But with no home games I would kind of also like it if there were TV blackouts and the games couldn't be seen and/or PSU didn't get the football TV money.

I want them to feel it. Bad. So bad that thoughts of ever experiencing something similar again causes members of their board to drop to the fetal position and other universities are reporting to the authorities when a staff member even LOOKS at someone else's kid out of fear.

I'm still pissed that members of PSU's board simply wants to wait a few months believing this will all blow over. No. They need to feel it and learn that this kind of stuff doesn't just blow over.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think there is a HUGE difference between limiting scholarships and/or taking away post-season play versus the death penalty. I think the NCAA looks at SMU and the consequences of the death penalty and has a very hard time pulling the trigger again.

I'm OK with the death penalty. You'll see that just yesterday I was saying to burn the place down. I guess I'm just saying that if they see the death penalty as too severe, I could be satisfied by another severe consequence - like eliminating all scholarships for a time.

I thought the SMU death penalty was appropriate. I also think that the PSU case is orders of magnitude worse than what SMU did.