Penn State pedophilia

[TripletDaddy]

It's not in the grand jury report. It is what McQ is now claiming in an email to his players.

I believe it is a series of emails to his old teammates, iirc. But your synopsis mirrors my understanding, as well.

[lambdacoug]

People are really good at self-deception. We attend to the facts we like and suppress the ones we don’t.

[creekster]

David Brooks says it better than I. In his Op-Ed today: Let’s All Feel Superior
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/op...ml?_r=1&src=tp
Perhaps a few of you should send him some nasty comments about why he is devoid of all moral reasoning.

The more people around the more likely it is to happen. I don't have time to wade through that supporting study and related evidence, but I bet it doesn't focus on rape of children. I bet it includes things like property crimes, assaults (like bar fights) and other dissimilar crimes.

Here my ire has been particularly directed to McQ for stumbling alone onto a scene where a man is raping a young boy and for not doing anything about it. Now he apparently claims he did do something about it. I am curious what it was he did. Did he take custody of the boy? How did the boy get home? If he did even some of the things he should have done he would know exactly who this boy is and what happened to him. And, I will allow, maybe he does and maybe this is why he gave such detailed testimony to the GJ about the incident, because he knows others know about it.

Bottom line, the article you are relying on might be an excuse for some of the administrators in other circumstances (although I don't buy it), but it is not an excuse at all for McQ.

[dabrockster]

David Brooks says it better than I. In his Op-Ed today: Let’s All Feel Superior
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/op...ml?_r=1&src=tp
Perhaps a few of you should send him some nasty comments about why he is devoid of all moral reasoning.

While this is interesting. However, it seems the Bystandard effect is based on examples where the number of people who see it is large and they chose not to react based on the idea that they think someone else will step up to the plate or for other reasons..

In the example of Paterno, McQuery, etc. This is a smaller group and at times were witnessed only by one person. They held meetings and took steps to resolve the issue(Which were very discreet etc). It seems to me to not meet this criteria or justifcation on why they did nothing. But I guess I will sit on my ivory pedestal and judge.. ;-)

It's not in the grand jury report. It is what McQ is now claiming in an email to his players.

I'll look for it..

[creekster]

I believe it is a series of emails to his old teammates, iirc. But your synopsis mirrors my understanding, as well.

do you have a link to these emails?

[TripletDaddy]

do you have a link to these emails?

I do not. It is being reported on talk radio and elsewhere that he has been sending a few out to old teammates and one or more of them was leaked out. I'm not sure whether the emails have been leaked publicly.

[dabrockster]

I do not. It is being reported on talk radio and elsewhere that he has been sending a few out to old teammates and one or more of them was leaked out. I'm not sure whether the emails have been leaked publicly.

Thanks. I'll stop looking..

[Jacob]

Thanks. I'll stop looking..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_16...re-it-stopped/

In an email to former teammates, obtained by NBC News, McQueary said: "The truth is not out there fully" and that he "didn't just turn and run" after seeing the alleged molestation.

"I made sure it stopped. I did the right thing ... you guys know me," he wrote, adding that he "had to make quick, tough decisions."

[lambdacoug]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_16...re-it-stopped/

If that is true, then good on him. If he did all he could reasonably do, good for him.

[Jeff Lebowski]

David Brooks says it better than I. In his Op-Ed today: Let’s All Feel Superior
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/op...ml?_r=1&src=tp
Perhaps a few of you should send him some nasty comments about why he is devoid of all moral reasoning.

Wow. Just so we are clear here, you agree with that op-ed piece? You think that is a fair and rational analysis of the Penn State case?

[SeattleUte]

Will I get stoned if I point out that even Jerry Sandusky is entitled to an effective defense? Please don't stone me.

I think those of you condemning his lawyer's anticipated tactics at trial are really confused. There is no more important priciple at stake here that that Jerry Sandusky receive an effective defense and a fair trial. NONE. To paraphrase yesterday's favorite columnist, and add a new twist, if Jerry Sandusky does not receiver an effective defense and a fair trial nothing else matters.

Please don't beat me. Please don't lynch me.

I like Brooks' article a lot. However, it would have taken a lot less courage--physical courage at least--for McQuery, Paterno et al. to stop and/or report child abuse in this free society than for citizens to stand up to murderous Nazis, for example, during Hitler's reign.

[dabrockster]

Will I get stoned if I point out that even Jerry Sandusky is entitled to an effective defense? Please don't stone me.

I think those of you condemning his lawyer's anticipated tactics at trial are really confused. There is no more important priciple at stake here that that Jerry Sandusky receive an effective defense and a fair trial. NONE. To paraphrase yesterday's favorite columnist, and add a new twist, if Jerry Sandusky does not receiver an effective defense and a fair trial nothing else matters.

Please don't beat me. Please don't lynch me.

I like Brooks' article a lot. However, it would have taken a lot less courage--physical courage at least--for McQuery, Paterno et al. to stop and/or report child abuse in this free society than for citizens to stand up to murderous Nazis, for example, during Hitler's reign.

HANG HIM!!!!

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Paterno's name taken off Big Ten Trophy. Now just call the Stagg Trophy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...uLN_story.html

[Maximus]

Will I get stoned if I point out that even Jerry Sandusky is entitled to an effective defense? Please don't stone me.

I think those of you condemning his lawyer's anticipated tactics at trial are really confused. There is no more important priciple at stake here that that Jerry Sandusky receive an effective defense and a fair trial. NONE. To paraphrase yesterday's favorite columnist, and add a new twist, if Jerry Sandusky does not receiver an effective defense and a fair trial nothing else matters.

Please don't beat me. Please don't lynch me.

I like Brooks' article a lot. However, it would have taken a lot less courage--physical courage at least--for McQuery, Paterno et al. to stop and/or report child abuse in this free society than for citizens to stand up to murderous Nazis, for example, during Hitler's reign.

fair trial is important but there are far more important things than him getting 100% fair trial.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Will I get stoned if I point out that even Jerry Sandusky is entitled to an effective defense? Please don't stone me.

Of course not. Everybody deserves a fair trial.

I like Brooks' article a lot. However, it would have taken a lot less courage--physical courage at least--for McQuery, Paterno et al. to stop and/or report child abuse in this free society than for citizens to stand up to murderous Nazis, for example, during Hitler's reign.

That really surprises me, SU. Why do you like his article? It seemed cowardly and very poorly reasoned to me.

First of all, to compare listening to a sexist comment to witnessing a child rape is so absurd as to be offensive. And as others have mentioned, most of the bystanders cases involve multiple people and a threat of violence. How can you compare this to witnessing a child rape in a shower?

Furthermore, short of witnessing the imminent murder of a child, can you please provide me with a situation that would be more demanding of immediate intervention than child rape?

Then let's suppose just for the sake of argument that we are somehow unable to intervene upon witnessing such an event. After the event has occurred, why not report the event at a later time after carefully pondering the implications of what has happened? Why not stop this monster from abusing more children?

If we can't make a moral judgment about a situation like this, God help us.