The Heaps Reclamation Project

[Hsaru]

Matt Barkley through 15 games: 3,386 yards 24 Td's 16 Ints
Jake Heaps through 15 games: Heaps: 3,768 yards 24 Td's 17 Ints

Good thing USC didn't quit on Barkley, clearly he was a scrub though.

[DU Ute]

Matt Barkley through 15 games: 3,386 yards 24 Td's 16 Ints
Jake Heaps through 15 games: Heaps: 3,768 yards 24 Td's 17 Ints

Good thing USC didn't quit on Barkley, clearly he was a scrub though.

Was the competition even close to the same for those two? Also, on how many of those picks did Barkley not bother to try and chase down the dude that made the pick? How many fumbles in the end zone did he jump over rather than fall on?

[Hsaru]

Was the competition even close to the same for those two? Also, on how many of those picks did Barkley not bother to try and chase down the dude that made the pick? How many fumbles in the end zone did he jump over rather than fall on?

I think NFL players all over the damn field at USC makes up for a bit of a competition difference.

Barkley's stellar first two years included 5 games with QB ratings under 100 which on this board has been deemed numbers that should have you not playing another D1 game they are so bad. 2 of them were 80 rating or under.

Some standouts: Score Comp Att Yards PCt Lng TD Int Rating
@Oregon State L 36-7 10 19 75 52.6 19 0 1 75.3
Oregon L 53-32 26 49 264 53.1 25 1 2 96.9
@ASU W 14-9 7 22 112 31.8 75 1 1 80.5
@Ohio State W 18-15 15 31 195 48.4 26 0 1 94.8
Arizona L 21-17 20 37 144 54.1 16 1 1 90.3


And for those points are all that matters folks two out of his first 3 games in his season that earned him a top 5 draft grade he led the team to only 19 points against an awful Minnesota team and 17 off. points against Utah. Both of those teams had chances at the end to beat USC in last minute drives due to offensive ineptitude, BYU fans would be screaming bloody murder if their QB put up that few points and lost/almost lost. And Matt Barkley did all that with the #2 pick in the draft at LT, one of the best WR combos in the country and a talented bevy of running backs.

The one thing that Barkley showed nearly the whole time even while struggling(except for parts of his freshman season) is that he clearly had a very high upside and the ability to be very accurate and make all the throws in stretches, something I think Heaps has done in stretches as well, not consistent enough yet though. Ridiculous to write him off as a spectacular bust who is finished like everyone seems ready to, though he has a hell of a lot to work on.

[myboynoah]

Matt Barkley through 15 games: 3,386 yards 24 Td's 16 Ints
Jake Heaps through 15 games: Heaps: 3,768 yards 24 Td's 17 Ints

Good thing USC didn't quit on Barkley, clearly he was a scrub though.

Heaps just quit on BYU, not the other way around.

[Viking]

I'm going to show some mercy to the Heaps clan. I hadn't appreciated how rough the last couple of years have been for them. Most of us have seen hard times.

Hsaru, good luck to Jake. I wish you guys could have made it work in Provo. The only thing we will agree upon is that our HC and OC belong in I-AA ball.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I think NFL players all over the damn field at USC makes up for a bit of a competition difference.

Barkley's stellar first two years included 5 games with QB ratings under 100 which on this board has been deemed numbers that should have you not playing another D1 game they are so bad. 2 of them were 80 rating or under.

Some standouts: Score Comp Att Yards PCt Lng TD Int Rating
@Oregon State L 36-7 10 19 75 52.6 19 0 1 75.3
Oregon L 53-32 26 49 264 53.1 25 1 2 96.9
@ASU W 14-9 7 22 112 31.8 75 1 1 80.5
@Ohio State W 18-15 15 31 195 48.4 26 0 1 94.8
Arizona L 21-17 20 37 144 54.1 16 1 1 90.3


And for those points are all that matters folks two out of his first 3 games in his season that earned him a top 5 draft grade he led the team to only 19 points against an awful Minnesota team and 17 off. points against Utah. Both of those teams had chances at the end to beat USC in last minute drives due to offensive ineptitude, BYU fans would be screaming bloody murder if their QB put up that few points and lost/almost lost. And Matt Barkley did all that with the #2 pick in the draft at LT, one of the best WR combos in the country and a talented bevy of running backs.

The one thing that Barkley showed nearly the whole time even while struggling(except for parts of his freshman season) is that he clearly had a very high upside and the ability to be very accurate and make all the throws in stretches, something I think Heaps has done in stretches as well, not consistent enough yet though. Ridiculous to write him off as a spectacular bust who is finished like everyone seems ready to, though he has a hell of a lot to work on.

lol, so you're cherry picking five games from about 25 games against superior competition?

Unlike you, no cherry picking here. Also in your previous post you seem to have excluded number of attempts, completion percentage and yards per attempt.

First five games of Matt Barkley's Sophomore Season:

84/129 (65.8% completion rate), 1127 yards (8.73 yards per attempt), 12 TDs 4 ints.

First five games of Jake Heaps' Sophomore Season:

100/185 (54.1% completion rate), 962 yards (5.20 yards per attempt), 3 TDs, 5 ints.

Are you arguing that there is no significance in the statistical spread here? Let me clue you in on how bad 5.2 yards per attempt is -- if that had continued through the entire season Heaps would have been ranked #112 out of 115 QBs. Heaps ended up with 5.8 yards per attempt which was good enough for #106 out of 115 QBs.

Meanwhile, 8.2 yards per attempt is where the #7-8 QBs were this year.

Why didn't you mention this? Is this not relevant? You're either trying to deceive us or you don't think yards per attempt is important. I'll give an example that is easier to understand -- the spread between Aaron Rodgers' yards per attempt and Curtis Painter's yards per attempt is lower than the spread between the Heaps and Barkley through the first five games of each player's sophomore seasons.

And if you want to go back to the "first 15 games" bullshit, Barkley's freshman year and the first two games of his sophomore year ended up with 3194 yards and 7.79 yards per attempt. I'm not sure which 15 games you're looking at for Heaps but from FSU through UCF, he had 3025 yards and 5.88 yards per attempt.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Heaps just quit on BYU, not the other way around.

Heaps's knob-polisher also conveniently forgot to mention which 15 games he's talking about. He also left off the number of passes each player threw. Of course, that would have meant drawing an unfavorable inference about Jake Heaps.

[dabrockster]

Matt Barkley through 15 games: 3,386 yards 24 Td's 16 Ints
Jake Heaps through 15 games: Heaps: 3,768 yards 24 Td's 17 Ints

Good thing USC didn't quit on Barkley, clearly he was a scrub though.

Both are to blame.. Let it go.. Move on..


You are starting to look foolish in your attempts to support Heaps (Wait. You're long past that)..

[myboynoah]

Both are to blame.. Let it go.. Move on..


You are starting to look foolish in your attempts to support Heaps (Wait. You long past that)..

He needs to stop. The more I think about this the more I'm getting pissed at Heaps. BYU gave Heaps the vast majority of starts the past two years and invested a lot in the kid for the future. How many true freshmen get that chance and attention? How does he repay the school? By leaving at the first sign of adversity.

[dabrockster]

He needs to stop. The more I think about this the more I'm getting pissed at Heaps. BYU gave Heaps the vast majority of starts the past two years and invested a lot in the kid for the future. How many true freshmen get that chance and attention? How does he repay the school? By leaving at the first sign of adversity.

He is sitting elsewhere no matter what. So he could of stayed and RS. The had the best redemption story ever and the love of all BYU Fans. But his ego was wounded and he didn't like being benched and obviously thinks everyone else is to blame and he is not..

Like you, the more I think about it, the more I side with BYU and think Heaps was the bigger problem. Primadonna punk 19 year old...

[Commando]

Matt Barkley through 15 games: 3,386 yards 24 Td's 16 Ints
Jake Heaps through 15 games: Heaps: 3,768 yards 24 Td's 17 Ints

Good thing USC didn't quit on Barkley, clearly he was a scrub though.

I wasn't aware that BYU had withdrawn Heaps' scholarship just for playing so shitty. This is troubling.

[jay santos]

He is sitting elsewhere no matter what. So he could of stayed and RS. The had the best redemption story ever and the love of all BYU Fans. But his ego was wounded and he didn't like being benched and obviously thinks everyone else is to blame and he is not..

Like you, the more I think about it, the more I side with BYU and think Heaps was the bigger problem. Primadonna punk 19 year old...

Maybe Jake's an entitled punk. Maybe Nelson's a selfish asshole. I really don't know and don't want to judge. Everyone feeding us information seems to have an agenda.

I'm trying to be favorable to everyone here and this is how I look at it. Jake got benched for a QB he beats out in practice. The message from the coaches is "Jake you're great in practice but you suck in games." That's a pretty tough thing to overcome. Because even if you do the humble thing and sit behind Riley for a year and a half, how do you know the coaches wouldn't still have that prejudice two years from now, and either start Hill or someone else over you or bench you after you struggle. So I don't blame Jake for wanting to start over with coaches who don't have that prejudice.

I think there's an option here to blame no one.

1. Coaches tried their best, gave him starters reps for a spring and fall camp in practice, gave him a soft landing opportunity to get his feet wet at the start of 2010, eventually gave him the starting job, invested everything they could in him, but Jake just didn't have the talent or mental capability to run with it. So they had to bench him.

2. Jake did his best but didn't quite cut it. Now he wants a fresh start. Anyone who's ever switched companies or understands the benefit of switching companies can't judge him.

3. Nelson is doing his best on and off the field to help the team.

[Shaka]

Matt Barkley through 15 games: 3,386 yards 24 Td's 16 Ints
Jake Heaps through 15 games: Heaps: 3,768 yards 24 Td's 17 Ints

Good thing USC didn't quit on Barkley, clearly he was a scrub though.

The big flaw in your argument. USC didn't have a viable option who was actually a better performer in games.

I would be fine with the idea of playing Jake and letting him learn on the field IF there wasn't a player behind him who could outperform him on the field. I BYU's case there was.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

The big flaw in your argument. USC didn't have a viable option who was actually a better performer in games.

I would be fine with the idea of playing Jake and letting him learn on the field IF there wasn't a player behind him who could outperform him on the field. I BYU's case there was.

There are bigger flaws than that. I'm not sure what 15 games he's talking about certainly not Heaps's first 15. I'd love to know because my suspicion is that it took about 150 more attempts.

[jay santos]

The big flaw in your argument. USC didn't have a viable option who was actually a better performer in games.

I would be fine with the idea of playing Jake and letting him learn on the field IF there wasn't a player behind him who could outperform him on the field. I BYU's case there was.

No the real flaw in his argument is that he disguised the stats to make them look equal, when actually Barkley's stats were very good and Heaps' stats were horrible.