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  • PaloAltoCougar
    Semper infra dignitatem
    • Nov 2008
    • 16927

    #271
    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
    This guy's argument is pretty interesting, but a little silly in that it seems to assume a college program can filed a great team whenever it wants to. But if he's right, then Cougar fans should be cheering for Utah to do well this fall:

    The Utah Utes are the most important team in college football

    Apologies if already posted somewhere else.
    I'm not proud of this, but my feelings about Utah's inaugural trip through the PAC are a function of the outcome of the game on September 17. If BYU wins, then I'd enjoy seeing Utah win its division and go on to bigger things. If BYU loses, I don't much care what Utah does, and wouldn't mind seeing it become a smoldering ruin by season's end. I realize the latter result wouldn't reflect well on BYU, but you'll have to appreciate my candor if not my logic.

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    • BoylenOver
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 9146

      #272
      Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
      This guy's argument is pretty interesting, but a little silly in that it seems to assume a college program can filed a great team whenever it wants to. But if he's right, then Cougar fans should be cheering for Utah to do well this fall:

      The Utah Utes are the most important team in college football

      Apologies if already posted somewhere else.
      Thanks for the link, LA. My favorite part of the article:

      ...Holding up Boise State, the new king of the MWC, next to Utah, the old king, is going to be a natural comparison.

      The odd twist is the Utes themselves don’t care about any of this. They already have their golden ticket. If they win the Pac-12 they play in the Rose Bowl. If they go undefeated they play for a national championship. It doesn’t matter if it takes four years or 14 years or 40 years, Utah is set.

      But Boise State cares. TCU also needs Utah to win. Interestingly enough, so does BYU. Any outsider program that wants its 12-0 record to be taken seriously needs the Utes to find big success in their new home.
      "I don't know the origin of said bitch booming."-Art Vandelay
      "Hot Lunch posted awhile back on this. He knows more than anyone except for maybe BO."-Seattle Ute

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      • Uncle Ted
        The Big 12 money shot.
        • Apr 2010
        • 28853

        #273
        Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
        This guy's argument is pretty interesting, but a little silly in that it seems to assume a college program can filed a great team whenever it wants to. But if he's right, then Cougar fans should be cheering for Utah to do well this fall:

        The Utah Utes are the most important team in college football

        Apologies if already posted somewhere else.
        I hope that Utah wins every game with the exception of their 3rd one. Please don't let us down.
        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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        • ERCougar
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 10978

          #274
          This is why the intensity of the rivalry will diminish a little. Rationally, BYU fans should be cheering for Utah to win every game but one (and vice versa). That won't happen completely, but there are plenty of fans who will do just that.
          At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
          -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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          • Surfah
            Where's Wallace?
            • Nov 2008
            • 33726

            #275
            Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
            This is why the intensity of the rivalry will diminish a little. Rationally, BYU fans should be cheering for Utah to win every game but one (and vice versa). That won't happen completely, but there are plenty of fans who will do just that.
            That's no different though than years' past. Where SOS and computer scoring rule, we want all of our opponents to win every game but the one against us. That's why I don't think it will ever diminish much if any. It's still a church and state game. It's still ALUFs and Magic Happenings.
            "Nobody listens to Turtle."
            -Turtle
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            • ERCougar
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 10978

              #276
              Originally posted by Surfah View Post
              That's no different though than years' past. Where SOS and computer scoring rule, we want all of our opponents to win every game but the one against us. That's why I don't think it will ever diminish much if any. It's still a church and state game. It's still ALUFs and Magic Happenings.
              Except for conference standings. I cheered for Utah in OOC games, but never in conference.
              At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
              -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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              • LA Ute
                Receiver of Memory
                • Nov 2008
                • 19512

                #277
                Another article on the same subject, this time from SI. One bit I liked:

                Getting into the Pac-12, Whittingham said, was a process of at least 25 years of sustained growth. Now that the Utes have arrived they deserve a chance to build from their new platform. With the innate advantages of the Pac-12 -- enhanced recruiting, megabucks from Larry Scott's TV deals, and so on -- there's no reason to discount Utah's chances of eventually becoming an AQ power.

                "Don't judge us on one game," Whittingham said. "Don't judge us on one season. Don't judge us on two or three seasons. You've got to take a look at us 10 years down the road and look back, and that will be able to get you the answer."

                He's probably right. But snap judgments are going to be made anyway.
                Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1UYc7v2F7
                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                ― W.H. Auden


                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                • LA Ute
                  Receiver of Memory
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19512

                  #278
                  From the PAC-12 Plaza at Stanford Stadium:

                  “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                  ― W.H. Auden


                  "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                  -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                  "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                  --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                  • UtahDan
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                    • Nov 2008
                    • 14496

                    #279
                    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                    From the PAC-12 Plaza at Stanford Stadium:

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                    • LA Ute
                      Receiver of Memory
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19512

                      #280
                      CEO hired for all of the PAC-12's new networks. Ted Miller:

                      Longtime sports media executive Gary Stevens has been hired as the head of the new Pac-12 Enterprises company.

                      According to the press release on Stevens' hire, that means he will be in charge of "the Pac-12 Networks, the Pac-12 Digital Network, and Pac-12 Properties, which will handle all sponsorship, licensing and event management [including the new Pac-12 Football Championship Game and Pac-12 Basketball Tournaments] for the Conference. He will also be responsible for creating a new integrated sales team across all of the new Conference owned media and event platforms, and for creating and executing a strategy to extend Pac-12 programming to international audiences, especially in the Pacific Rim."

                      So here's a guess he'll keep fairly busy.
                      Sounds like a fun job.
                      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                      ― W.H. Auden


                      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                      • Scorcho
                        Junior Member
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 835

                        #281
                        .



                        Where does Utah's Athletic budget need to be in 5-10 years?

                        It will never be at a Tennessee or Auburn level and doesn't really need to be, but I think it needs to be on par with an Arizona and Colorado.

                        Utah has had some good success in hoops (well not latetly) and football considering being at the other end of the financial spectrum, but those days are over.

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                        • LA Ute
                          Receiver of Memory
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 19512

                          #282
                          Originally posted by Scorcho View Post
                          http://www.cougaruteforum.com/newrep...ote=1&p=638741

                          Where does Utah's Athletic budget need to be in 5-10 years?

                          It will never be at a Tennessee or Auburn level and doesn't really need to be, but I think it needs to be on par with an Arizona and Colorado.

                          Utah has had some good success in hoops (well not latetly) and football considering being at the other end of the financial spectrum, but those days are over.
                          Agreed. On our admission to the PAC-12 we were a couple of million dollars behind Washington State. That's a little misleading because we were almost debt-free at the time and some PAC schools are heavily burdened, but still, we have to step up our financial game.
                          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                          ― W.H. Auden


                          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                          • Scorcho
                            Junior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 835

                            #283
                            .

                            Everyone in college sports is calling for cost control and lower spending, but new data shows schools spending more than ever. A majority of schools have increased their budgets by double-digit percentages from fiscal years 2010 to 2012, according to information obtained by SportsBusiness Journal from schools in the six major conferences. Of the 52 schools that provided annual budgets, 30 have increased their spending by 10 percent or more in the last three years. Seventeen of them, or a third, have increased spending by 15 percent or more. In some cases, creative athletic directors have found new revenue streams that provide them more money to pump into facilities, salaries and other discretionary spends. In other cases, spending is on the rise because of mandatory costs, such as tuition increases that drive up scholarship costs and administrative fees that are paid back to campus for services like legal, police and utilities. Administrators explain the increases by saying that they’re reinvesting in their programs and that the new revenue coming from richer TV contracts is funding the additional spending. “When you look two to three years out, it looks like we’re falling off the edge of a cliff,” said Jamie Pollard, Iowa State’s AD. “It’s a scary thought. But the cliff keeps moving further and further away. ADs have found ways to raise new revenue, trim costs and figure it out. … A year and a half ago, we were making a lot of strategic decisions about the cost of travel, salaries, ways we could make some cuts. We’re not doing that as much this year. Our basketball team is making a trip overseas this year and that’s something we wouldn’t have done a year or two ago.” Across the country, schools are seeing increases in revenue from a variety of areas, but the two main sources are new TV contracts and premium seating for football.


                            sorry forgot the link of latest BCS Teams budgets

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                            • LA Ute
                              Receiver of Memory
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 19512

                              #284
                              Originally posted by Scorcho View Post
                              http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/J...h/Budgets.aspx

                              sorry forgot the link of latest BCS Teams budgets
                              Notably, Utah's budget is projected to increase at a much faster rate than any other school's other than Arizona's.
                              “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                              ― W.H. Auden


                              "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                              -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                              "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                              --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                              • LA Ute
                                Receiver of Memory
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 19512

                                #285
                                This is a pretty funny take on the rest of the teams in the PAC-12.

                                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                                ― W.H. Auden


                                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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