Alright, let's hear your Heaps assessments

[Goatnapper'96]

Way to be as negative as possible. We get it, he started out his freshman year, as a 19 year old, with horrible receivers and tight ends and mediocre running backs, horribly. Now, after he improves some and the receivers start catching passes, his numbers look more and more like a very good QB. if you think he hasn't shown anything as a player, you have not been watching any of the games since USU.

Kdog is a bit of a contrarian lemming. I have often read him defend Feterick and exclaim that BYU fans have an unreasonable expectation for BYU qbs. He is just arguing to be open minded.

Now for the record, I am a huge Jake Heaps homer and I think he is going to be one of BYU's greatest qbs. I don't think he is there today, in fact I know he isn't. But I believe by the end of his junior year there will be a clear case made statistically. I believe the improvement he showed, and that his supporting cast showed, over the course of this year creates some firmness in my nipples that I am heeding as a foreshadowing of things to come........

[jay santos]

Thanks for keeping us in line Jay Santos, can't have people getting excited about a player. Might want to shoot an email off to Bronco he is getting a little too excited about Jake.

My first post in this thread on how I feel about Heaps and the future outlook with him:

Fabulous. Couldn't be happier.

Where I think people are taking it way too far is 1) Heaps 2010 Utah performance was better than any Max Hall Utah performance and 2) Heaps had proven himself so much and had played so great that the coaches are to blame for not turning him loose more against Utah (and/or any other games of the season) and should be fired for it.

[Indy Coug]

Thanks for keeping us in line Jay Santos, can't have people getting excited about a player. Might want to shoot an email off to Bronco he is getting a little too excited about Jake.

Man, you're such a hypersensitive SOB.

[Flystripper]

Man, you're such a hypersensitive SOB.

If you would have told me in 2003 or 2004 that Indy and Jay would have each others back on any issue I would have looked out my window to check for flying pigs. The power of CUF is amazing to behold!

[Indy Coug]

If you would have told me in 2003 or 2004 that Indy and Jay would have each others back on any issue I would have looked out my window to check for flying pigs. The power of CUF is amazing to behold!

I'm more than willing to bust Jay's chops when he's being stupid, but this is not one of those occasions. Hsaru has repeatedly proven himself to be ultra-touchy about Heaps. I'm not sure why it's such a big deal to him, but apparently he's ground his crotch into a fine powder humping the Heaps poster in his bedroom.

[Hsaru]

So getting upset that Heaps was being portrayed by some posters(Santos/Indy) as one of the worst QBs in the whole nation early in the year, when he obviously was not if you actually watched the games, is equivalent to humping posters? Good to know.

My posts about Heaps have been pretty tame, I haven't indulged in any of the hyperbole about his future that I've seen even on CUF.

[Goatnapper'96]

So getting upset that Heaps was being portrayed by some posters(Santos/Indy) as one of the worst QBs in the whole nation early in the year, when he obviously was not if you actually watched the games, is equivalent to humping posters?

Let's just say that if it is it might explain why there were no qbs in the Heisman top 10 in 1967, which corresponds to the year that cinematic classic "One Million Years BC" and its heavy emphasis of using its bodacious stralet, Raquel Welch, in a prehistoric bikini as an effective advertising tool!

Au natural!

[jay santos]

So getting upset that Heaps was being portrayed by some posters(Santos/Indy) as one of the worst QBs in the whole nation early in the year, when he obviously was not if you actually watched the games, is equivalent to humping posters? Good to know.

My posts about Heaps have been pretty tame, I haven't indulged in any of the hyperbole about his future that I've seen even on CUF.

I go to all home games and base my opinion mostly what I observed in person. Stats played into it but I was using stats to support my opinion after forming opinion viewing. I also never condemned his potential. I also changed my opinion pretty quickly as his play improved.

[jay santos]

Let's just say that if it is it might explain why there were no qbs in the Heisman top 10 in 1967, which corresponds to the year that cinematic classic "One Million Years BC" and its heavy emphasis of using its bodacious stralet, Raquel Welch, in a prehistoric bikini as an effective advertising tool!

Au natural!

Thanks a lot hsaru now I'm stuck with image of teenage goatnapper humping his raquel welch poster.

[happyone]

Let's just say that if it is it might explain why there were no qbs in the Heisman top 10 in 1967, which corresponds to the year that cinematic classic "One Million Years BC" and its heavy emphasis of using its bodacious stralet, Raquel Welch, in a prehistoric bikini as an effective advertising tool!

Au natural!

I hate to break this to you, but in the interest of accuracy the Heisman winner in 1967 was a QB, Gary Beban of UCLA, other than that I take you point

[KillerDog]

Kdog is a bit of a contrarian lemming. I have often read him defend Feterick and exclaim that BYU fans have an unreasonable expectation for BYU qbs. He is just arguing to be open minded.

Although "contrarian lemming" seems a bit like burning ice or dry water I get what you are saying and don't dispute it. I have defended Kevin and I do think we have unreasonable expectations for our QBs. I also am arguing exactly what you are saying I'm arguing. I think it is too soon to (stealing Indy's phrase) dry hump the Jake Heaps poster in our bedrooms.

Jake has shown us some things. I'm just recalling that Engy (back before he was fat) was 34-41 for 447 yrds, one int. and two TDs and after the fatness set in was 26-43 for 294, one int. and one TD. I also remember when Berry was 29-46 for 313 against the best D in the country. Heaps started out poorly (including the 2-6 for 15 yards and an int. debacle many have forgotten), has improved dramatically against bad competition (culminating in 15-20 for 242 0 int. and 4 TDs) and looked solid at our rivals (22-37 for 228 with one int. and one TD). I'm not yet ready to annoint or discard him but I think it is unfair to both of them to compare him to Max. Max's worst year yardage-wise he averaged 288 yards per game. Heaps eclipsed that number once, against UNLV.

At the core, I agree with your analysis of what I'm saying. Let's be open minded on this. I wouldn't be surprised to see Heaps become Lark's or Munns' back-up next year and I wouldn't be surprised to see Heaps become the next in a line of brilliant QBs.

[Commando]

At the core, I agree with your analysis of what I'm saying. Let's be open minded on this. I wouldn't be surprised to see Heaps become Lark's or Munns' back-up next year and I wouldn't be surprised to see Heaps become the next in a line of brilliant QBs.

[Hsaru]

I was with you Kdog, until that last sentence. I echo commando's response.

[MarkGrace]

I was with you Kdog, until that last sentence. I echo commando's response.

Same. I would be absolutely floored to see him backing up one of those two guys next year.

[scr29]

I was on the phone with my son and we both agreed what they were doing was wrong. Reason, I can remember winning games at the end with a TD, I don't ever remember us executing a FG for a win in a big game.

Wyoming 1996, kicked 2 FG (one for overtime, one for the win). I think we have settled for FG in other overtime games as well, just can't think of any right now.

As for Heaps. He has my full vote of confidence. I don't even want to see Riley come in for some wildcat action next year. And PLEASE stay for all four years.