Heaps

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

The eternal optimist. Jay, calm down. I was reading through old posts about beck last not on cb and half of them are you pissing on beck for most of the same things you're now saying about heaps.

So Heaps will become that dynamic QB that leads TD drives and victories in the 5th game of his senior season? I think Jay was hoping for something more than that.

[jay santos]

The eternal optimist. Jay, calm down. I was reading through old posts about beck last not on cb and half of them are you pissing on beck for most of the same things you're now saying about heaps. He's had his fair share of problems, but he's made plenty of throws indicating his potential and talent. He's been mostly good in half of every game this year, and mostly shitty in the other half. At this point his biggest problem is consistency and putting together full games.

Also, I'm pretty sure he played in a spread in HS.

I wouldn't bench him. And I mentioned in another post I fully expect Heaps to come around quickly. But I'm not sure that's rational, beyond my natural optimism.

On Beck: he started for three and a half seasons, and only the last 10 games of his career was worth anything (though that was a great run). He shouldn't have been a starting BYU QB until his junior year. He was lousy, and it was the coach's fault for not having someone else available. I wouldn't be happy if Heaps starts for four years and has the same kind of career.

[jay santos]

Another point on Beck, which may or may not apply to Heaps. If a QB is going to be great by his senior year and he's a multi year starter. He's usually at least decent pretty early and very good by his second year starting. It's actually pretty rare to see a QB like Beck with straight line progression that starts four years and goes from horrible to bad to decent to great.

[Flystripper]

Another point on Beck, which may or may not apply to Heaps. If a QB is going to be great by his senior year and he's a multi year starter. He's usually at least decent pretty early and very good by his second year starting. It's actually pretty rare to see a QB like Beck with straight line progression that starts four years and goes from horrible to bad to decent to great.

Great college QBs are great in their second season. (Beck was the exception to the rule) Heaps needs to be better. He will look much better during the last 7 games of the season, but given the level of competition it won't tell us much. He needs to be great this week against UCF. UCF is a decent team and if he is very good this week, it will be a step forward that can be measured. I don't have much confidence that he will be good though.

[jay santos]

Seriously, guys. Instead of dumping on me for asking the question, why not just answer the question. What is it exactly that people see in Heaps when they say he's got huge potential? People whose opinion I respect and seem to have no ulterior motives give him some pretty heavy praise. But I've never heard anything specific outside his arm strength.

[TripletDaddy]

Apparently Heaps is done.

Done talking about "potential," that is.

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/co...cc4c002e0.html

The sophomore quarterback, besides saying Utah "did a great job; they caused us to have turnovers" also admitted more frustration with the 1-2 start to the season and conceded that the talk of potential has worn thin.

What is BYU capable of? Heaps, also fighting back a cold that just came on, said it's past time to talk about the possibilities. Results are what matter.
"We've done enough talking. It's time to show what we're capable of, and what kind of football team we have," Heaps said.

Curiously, he goes on to share this quote:

"That's the thing. If you look at the potential of our team, it's just really frustrating to be where we're at right now," Heaps added. "We have such great potential and we have such a great opportunity to have an explosive offense. We just haven't shown that..."

ok, jake. ok.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Apparently Heaps is done.

Done talking about "potential," that is.

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/co...cc4c002e0.html



Curiously, he goes on to share this quote:



ok, jake. ok.

He will get a chance to show it against ISU, NMSU, SJSU

[hostile]

Apparently Heaps is done.

Done talking about "potential," that is.

One of my high school coaches used to say "Potential can kill you." Maybe he was right as our team only won one game that year on a team with "tons of potential"

[Surfah]

Great college QBs are great in their second season. (Beck was the exception to the rule) Heaps needs to be better. He will look much better during the last 7 games of the season, but given the level of competition it won't tell us much. He needs to be great this week against UCF. UCF is a decent team and if he is very good this week, it will be a step forward that can be measured. I don't have much confidence that he will be good though.

Carson Palmer was not great until his senior year under Chow.

[MarkGrace]

Carson Palmer was not great until his senior year under Chow.

I was going to mention that but I decided not to. The guy spent three years as an underachiever, then won the Heisman his Sr. year, went #1 overall, and had his jersey retired at SC.

I know I mention constantly that I don't follow football as much as the rest of you, but based on what I know of other sports, I don't think there are necessarily any rules or exceptions when it comes to player development. I've watched NBA players like Channing Frye not get an ounce better than they were their rookie years, and I've watched guys like Gerald Wallace consistently improve year after year. I've seen stud pitchers that break through in their early 20s and never get better, and I've seen pitchers not get it together until close to their 30s. I'm not sure why the growth curve for a college QB would be more predictable than it is in other sports.

In terms of last two QB's, Beck was pretty much a straight upward trajectory where Hall was pretty flat. But I think there can be arcs pretty much everywhere in between as well. I know I need to stop talking about this and I'm starting to feel like I'm having a Gordon Hayward moment again, but I've just watched too many players take too many routes to get significantly worried about what a guy does in his first season or first half of his second season or wherever else he is early in his career.

[smokymountainrain]

Carson Palmer was not great until his senior year under Chow.

And Colt McCoy was brutal in his second season.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

And Colt McCoy was brutal in his second season.

Colt McCoy's second season starting for Texas

332-433 76%
3859 Yards
34/8 TD/INT

136 rushes 561 yards, 11 TDs.

Texas record
August 30* 6:00 p.m. Florida Atlantic #10 W 52–10
September 6* 9:15 p.m. at UTEP #9 W 42–13
September 20* 6:00 p.m. Rice #7 W 52–10
September 27* 2:30 p.m. ArkansasC #7 W 52–10
October 4 6:00 p.m. at Colorado #5 W 38–14
October 11 11:00 a.m. vs. #1 Oklahoma #5 W 45–35
October 18 7:00 p.m. #11 Missouri #1 W 56–31
October 25 2:30 p.m. #8 Oklahoma State #1 W 28–24
November 1 7:00 p.m. at #5 Texas Tech#1 L 33–39
November 8 11:00 a.m. Baylor #4 W 45-21
November 15 11:30 a.m. at Kansas #5 W 35–7
November 27 7:00 p.m. Texas A&M #4 W 49–9
January 5 7:00 p.m. #10 Ohio State #3 W 24-21

I'm gonna say better than Heaps' second year.

[TripletDaddy]

Colt McCoy's second season starting for Texas

332-433 76%
3859 Yards
34/8 TD/INT

136 rushes 561 yards, 11 TDs.

Texas record
August 30* 6:00 p.m. Florida Atlantic #10 W 52–10
September 6* 9:15 p.m. at UTEP #9 W 42–13
September 20* 6:00 p.m. Rice #7 W 52–10
September 27* 2:30 p.m. ArkansasC #7 W 52–10
October 4 6:00 p.m. at Colorado #5 W 38–14
October 11 11:00 a.m. vs. #1 Oklahoma #5 W 45–35
October 18 7:00 p.m. #11 Missouri #1 W 56–31
October 25 2:30 p.m. #8 Oklahoma State #1 W 28–24
November 1 7:00 p.m. at #5 Texas Tech#1 L 33–39
November 8 11:00 a.m. Baylor #4 W 45-21
November 15 11:30 a.m. at Kansas #5 W 35–7
November 27 7:00 p.m. Texas A&M #4 W 49–9
January 5 7:00 p.m. #10 Ohio State #3 W 24-21

I'm gonna say better than Heaps' second year.

that's brutal?

We need more brutality from Jake Heaps.

[smokymountainrain]

Colt McCoy's second season starting for Texas

332-433 76%
3859 Yards
34/8 TD/INT

136 rushes 561 yards, 11 TDs.

Texas record
August 30* 6:00 p.m. Florida Atlantic #10 W 52–10
September 6* 9:15 p.m. at UTEP #9 W 42–13
September 20* 6:00 p.m. Rice #7 W 52–10
September 27* 2:30 p.m. ArkansasC #7 W 52–10
October 4 6:00 p.m. at Colorado #5 W 38–14
October 11 11:00 a.m. vs. #1 Oklahoma #5 W 45–35
October 18 7:00 p.m. #11 Missouri #1 W 56–31
October 25 2:30 p.m. #8 Oklahoma State #1 W 28–24
November 1 7:00 p.m. at #5 Texas Tech#1 L 33–39
November 8 11:00 a.m. Baylor #4 W 45-21
November 15 11:30 a.m. at Kansas #5 W 35–7
November 27 7:00 p.m. Texas A&M #4 W 49–9
January 5 7:00 p.m. #10 Ohio State #3 W 24-21

I'm gonna say better than Heaps' second year.

Try again. That was his third season. His second was the worst of his career.

[wally]

Colt McCoy's second season starting for Texas

332-433 76%
3859 Yards
34/8 TD/INT

136 rushes 561 yards, 11 TDs.

Texas record
August 30* 6:00 p.m. Florida Atlantic #10 W 52–10
September 6* 9:15 p.m. at UTEP #9 W 42–13
September 20* 6:00 p.m. Rice #7 W 52–10
September 27* 2:30 p.m. ArkansasC #7 W 52–10
October 4 6:00 p.m. at Colorado #5 W 38–14
October 11 11:00 a.m. vs. #1 Oklahoma #5 W 45–35
October 18 7:00 p.m. #11 Missouri #1 W 56–31
October 25 2:30 p.m. #8 Oklahoma State #1 W 28–24
November 1 7:00 p.m. at #5 Texas Tech#1 L 33–39
November 8 11:00 a.m. Baylor #4 W 45-21
November 15 11:30 a.m. at Kansas #5 W 35–7
November 27 7:00 p.m. Texas A&M #4 W 49–9
January 5 7:00 p.m. #10 Ohio State #3 W 24-21

I'm gonna say better than Heaps' second year.

How many games did McCoy start in his first year, and did Texas install a new OC between those years?

Keep in mind that Heaps essentially cut his teeth on a milquetoast of a remaining schedule last year, and didn't have the kind of talent around him that McCoy did.

Give the kid and Doman some time to gel.