The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Gaffords]

Outside of the money, why would the BiG want Tejas? It's like being married to a schizo. Why destroy the good things you have going for you? Personally, I wish to gawd we'd never invited the Whorns into the Big 8. We should have went west. Stupid move. I'm fine w/ starting over w/ the dregs. You know where you stand w/ these people. Much better than sitting here on Sunday night refreshing Chip's twitter feed.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

I can't answer that because I don't get paid to. But I would lean on the money having the Texas market and to make up for the shortcomings of taking such trash as Neb. The meltdown would be epic in Lincoln!

But not so fast in thinking Neb was some poor little victim. Their very own Pres has much more to say then that!

I am shocked this was actually published in Omaha.

http://www.omaha.com/article/2010083...g-ten-decision

So do KSU fans...

Originally posted by Armistead101:

Yes the prop 48 was huge to nebraska

Yeah, and I bet in your little self-absorbed Big Red World, you didn't know that vote went 10-2, not 11-1. K-State was also dependent on Prop 48 athletes, and sided with NU. What did that earn us? Contempt from a-holes like you because you didn't get your way. Unlike you, we didn't pout for 15 years about the outcome, because we understand how democracy works. No Prop 48s? OK. We'll adapt, and focus on JuCos instead. Result? KSU enjoyed unparalleled success. NU with their breath held and their arms folded, and watched their Big Red Empire slowly crumble...

Yes, the league going south was huge to the Huskers

Again with the Big Red self-absorption. That vote went 7-5 (not 11-1), all schools around KC voted against it. You have to ask why the Oklahoma and Colorado schools sided with the Texans, however? CU was especially po'd that NU acted in the Big 8 the way NU thinks UT acts in the Big 12, and saw that as an opportunity to "get back" at what they saw as the KC Mafia. I'm still not happy about that, but unlike you, I still understand how democracy works in a conference.

Yes....OU leaving NU the rivalry was huge

Why blame the whole Big 12? That's an OU issue. It seems to me the only team you should REALLY be mad at is OU, which ironically is the only Big 12 team you all seem to like for some odd reason. You had the opportunity to ask for permanent N/S rivals like the SEC does with permanent E/W rivals. OU said "no". You could have scheduled OU as non-conference games, the Sooners said "no". Makes me wonder why OU doesn't want to play you all any more? Perhaps now we know why.

Yes the game never CCG never coming back to the North was huge

Here's where your selfishness interferes and ultimately ruins the Big 12. The financial impact of the games in Dallas dwarfs them being in KC. Everybody wins. But you all don't apparently need the "money" even though the smaller schools are desperate for every dollar. You want only what's good for NU, which I guess is usually ok, but when what's good for NU HARMS the conference you're in, perhaps you did the right thing by leaving. You all were the classic conference "team cancer".

Yes, being on pay per view was terrible for Nebraska

You know what you all told us when we complained we weren't on TV as often as you and OU were? "Get better". Good advice, I say.


Yes, all these things were huge....and Nebraska could never vote for an equal share if the other 3 big schools were going to get theirs

This makes no sense. Try again, using something other than "Husker logic"?

An MU and CU were always threatening to leave....for years
This might be your only logical response. Yes, that's true, so perhaps we should thank the Big 12 for delaying what ultimately would have happened to the Big 8. Both MU and CU were trying to find ways to leave the conference as far back as the 1980s. OU publicly talked about going independent. Both OU and NU tried to kick K-State out of the Big 8 and invite Arkansas in the mid-80s. The Big 8 was not the "happy family" you claim it to have been. This has obviously been exposed in the past few years.

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showms...id=889&style=2

The problems in the BIG 12 have more than just Texas fingerprints on it. You can add Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Nebraska right along with them!

Changing the revenue sharing involved rewriting the conference bylaws. That typically requires unanimous agreement. Interestingly, Nebraska fans often complained about the Big 12's unequal revenue sharing. Beebe said that when it was a Big 12 member, Nebraska officials "were the most adamant" in opposition to changing the bylaw.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=205157134

Cry me a river!

[Red Legger]

I can't answer that because I don't get paid to. But I would lean on the money having the Texas market and to make up for the shortcomings of taking such trash as Neb. The meltdown would be epic in Lincoln!

But not so fast in thinking Neb was some poor little victim. Their very own Pres has much more to say then that!

I am shocked this was actually published in Omaha.

Perlman was the fool who started this thing. Now we're all freaking slaves to tOSU or UT. And the funny thing is that fool is so enamored w/ the money that he can't see that fact. If UT wants to come to the Big 10 and can convince UofM/tOSU that is a good idea, UT will be in the Big 10. Perlman/UNL has nothing to say in the matter. As the little hippie chick from Canada sang, "Isn't it ironic?" Ditto for CU on this matter.

A couple of weeks ago on this board, someone reference Mark Cuban's comments about what teevee wants are matchups. They want 4 OU/Texas style games every week exactly 3 hours apart starting at 11 am in the eastern time zone. They don't care about anything else. While that may be nice for teevee, it ain't college football. Where's KU's great 2007 season in that scenario? Where Alex Smith at the Fiesta Bowl bragging on the Ute Nation. What about Lavelle Edwards and the Cougar's 84 season? For that matter, where's UT's epic failure in 2010? That doesn't fit the programing model and won't be allowed. That ain't college football. That's reality teevee.

Give me the dregs, some internet based social network outside of cable teevee/ESPN and tohellwithem attitude and I'll show you what will save college football from the Whorns.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[Uncle Ted]

http://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/201...lege-football/

I am highly impressed with BYU....

BYU and Penn St are the only schools to have won national titles (AP and/or coaches poll), and stay off the NCAA’s probation list.

Nice.

[Uncle Ted]

Business leaders Red McCombs, Drayton McLane, Mark White and Phil Hardberger buy a full page ad in the Dallas Morning News...

Even with as few as five teams, a source said, the Big 12 might try to invite schools fleeing the Big East, including Louisville and Cincinnati. Exit fees totaling more than $100 million could constitute seed money.

In a full-page ad in Sunday’s Dallas Morning News, business and political leaders Red McCombs, Drayton McLane, Mark White and Phil Hardberger urged “cool heads and open minds.”

“This is a time for university leaders at the highest level to take a stand,” the ad said. “We implore those who guide our Big 12 schools not to throw away our traditions. We urge them to support the Big 12 and, where possible, make it even stronger.”

[Uncle Ted]

Chip Brown, this morning...

Sources close to the situation say it's doubtful the Texas regents, who meet Monday at 3 p.m. CT, will vote on a conference. The vote is expected to focus on authorizing UT president Bill Powers to make decisions in Texas' best interests on conference affiliation going forward.

Those sources say the ACC remains an option for Texas, but that UT officials are focused on discussions with the Pac-12 currently.

I was also told it was "doubtful" Texas would have to share programming with Texas Tech on any modified version of the Longhorn Network in what would become the Pac-16.

Other sources have indicated Texas and Texas Tech would share programming on whatever LHN would be named in the Pac-16. So that clearly still needs to be sorted out.

Sources say it's also too early to speculate on how two of the four proposed four-team pods would be divided. The ones that are certain would be Texas, OU, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. The other would be Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State. The other two pods - would involve some combination of USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, Cal and Stanford, the sources said.

The pods will be a critical point of discussion between Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott and his league's presidents and chancellors, along with how Texas' network would fit into the Pac-12's tightly worded revenue sharing.

And the sources say Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott will have a tough sales job on his hands with some of his presidents and chancellors, who are not feeling the need to expand, one year after going from 10 to 12.

Colorado president Bruce Benson has been outspoken in opposition to expansion. But when asked about Benson's comments Saturday at the Rose Bowl, Scott said, "I'm not going to dignify that with a response."

Nonetheless, Scott was a strong salesman last year when he convinced his league leaders to go after Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.

Now, it appears, if his chancellors and presidents will sign off on adding four more schools, Scott can virtually close the deal one year later.

Stay tuned.

[TheBYUGuy]

I will say that with the ACC expansion that happened over the weekend, the superconference idea is looking more and more like a self-fulling prophecy. I hadn't heard about the idea until last summer when pretty much everyone started saying "The world is going to 16-team superconferences. Deal with it."

Now you have the ACC thinking, "Well, the world is going to 16-team superconferences, so we should be one of them." And bam...expansion.

Where did the idea originate? And has anyone ever really said what is good about a 16-team conference?

Also, have any details emerged about how long the Syracuse/Pitt deal has been in the works? From what I've seen, it looks like it almost happened overnight.

[Uncle Ted]

Jon Wilner (SJ Mercury News): The LHN in the Pac-whatever is not going to happen...

*** The Austin-American Statesman reported that Texas could join the Pac-12 and keep the Longhorn Network, essentially with its own revenue model:

The Longhorns would be able to keep all of their revenue from the network if that amount is greater than one-sixteenth of what the entire Pac-12 receives for its third-tier rights. However, if one-sixteenth of the money the Pac-12 receives from third-tier rights ends up being a larger amount, the schools would divide the revenue evenly and everybody would receive the same amount, the source said.

That is, at its very best, misleading.

For one thing, the Longhorn Network would have to be folded into the Pac-12 regional model — it wouldn’t exist as a separate entity.

What’s more, there is no chance that any school will have more than 1/16th of the revenue, whether it comes from the conference’s first, second or third-tier rights. NO CHANCE.

We’re more likely to see USC give up football and join the Big West.

Remember, the Pac-12 CEOs would like to have Texas, but they are not desperate to have Texas.

[TripletDaddy]

If SC does join the Big West, I think BYU becomes a pretty attractive option as a conference mate.

[creekster]

If SC does join the Big West, I think BYU becomes a pretty attractive option as a conference mate.

But it would be basketball only, per Wilner.

[Uncle Ted]

If SC does join the Big West, I think BYU becomes a pretty attractive option as a conference mate.

We need a 'Big West expansion groundswell' thread.

[Paperback Writer]

I can't answer that because I don't get paid to. But I would lean on the money having the Texas market and to make up for the shortcomings of taking such trash as Neb. The meltdown would be epic in Lincoln!

But not so fast in thinking Neb was some poor little victim. Their very own Pres has much more to say then that!

I am shocked this was actually published in Omaha.

http://www.omaha.com/article/2010083...g-ten-decision

So do KSU fans...

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showms...id=889&style=2

The problems in the BIG 12 have more than just Texas fingerprints on it. You can add Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Nebraska right along with them!


http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=205157134

Cry me a river!

The meltdown in Lincoln may not be as epic as one might think. I can't speak for all Nebraska fans, but many fans and UNL as a whole would be OK with Texas in the Big Ten; especially if Notre Dame joined with Texas. And the reason would be Nebraska recruiting in the Lone Star state. As many Big 12 North schools found out, it helps Texas prep recruiting to be playing football in Texas and against the Longhorns.

Another reason Nebraska would be OK with Texas joining the Big Ten is that Texas would be balanced by Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Nebraska. I doubt the Big Ten HQ would be moving from Chicago to Dallas and although the CCG would probably be played in Cowboys Stadium, it wouldn't be every year. The Big Ten views itself as a conference of equals - I'm not sure how that would square with the Longhorns but I suppose the Longhorns would find a way to make it work without breaking all the dishes in the Big Ten china shop.

Agree that there were multiple reasons for the apparent demise of the Big 12 and it's not all on the Longhorn's shoulders. A mess of this scale requires multiple participants. I do hope Kansas finds itself in a good conference situation when this mess is cleaned up but the prospects don't look good at the moment. My dwindling hope is that A&M stays in the Big12 and that BYU and TCU are added.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Oklahoma is #1 in the country right now. I haven't bothered looking at the updated rankings, but I imagine that Texas is now in the top 20 while playing a bunch of freshmen and sophomores.

Why the f*** do Oklahoma and Texas have to move anywhere? Why the f*** does the Pac 12 have to expand? Why does the Big 10 have to expand? Are the Pac 12, SEC and Big 10 going to be irrelevant if they don't participate in the dick measuring contest with the ACC? The Big 10, Pac 12 and SEC can remain the way they are and the college football world will never forget about them. On the same note, Texas and OU can have their own little conference and no one will forget about them. The ACC is by far the weakest of the four 12+ team conferences, they're trying to protect themselves by picking up two of the best three programs out of the Big East before the Big 10 could grab them.

Hasn't 12 teams been pretty great number for the Big 12 and SEC?

[TheBYUGuy]

Hasn't 12 teams been pretty great number for the Big 12 and SEC?

12 is a great number for a conference until teams start jumping off the ship right and left.

[Uncle Ted]

Chip Brown on the radio just said that there has been some talk between Tech and the SEC.

[CJF]

Chip Brown on the radio just said that there has been some talk between Tech and the SEC.

Viking is an evil genius.