The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Red Legger]

Who are the top non-BCS schools still left out in that scenario?

Cincy, South Florida, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Boise State come to mind.

Mizzou seems like a much more natural fit for the Big Ten than the Kansas schools -- although I guess Kansas and Nebraska go together as much as Illinois and Mizzous.

Actually, Missoura's Confederate roots kind of play a part in this. Until the early 1980s, you'd see Confederate flags at tigger games. Missoura farmers are the only folks in the area who grow tobacco (holdover from the antebellem plantations along the Kansas border) plus there is the Branson influence. South of I-70 is more Arkansas than Iowa. Missoura would fit into the SEC easily.

As for KU, I'm a bit torn. Sell the soul and grovel for a spot in the BiG? That'd suck. Stick w/ Ksuck and build a new Big 8? Kinda sounds appealing. That's how the Big 6 originally started: The BiG's rejects. Band up w/ the other rejects and pull in Cincy/TCU/Louisville/Byu plus some trash and get back to twelve. Throw a wrench into the 4 conference wretchedness the Whorns/BiG/SEC/Pac 16 are building. Heck, I'd love for KU to play Wyoming. I had a great time out there when we played and love their style. Team up w/ some up and coming network that wants to compete w/ this ESPN monstrosity. It could work. Might not be too bad. Key point is for the Whorns to get on w/ business.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[TripletDaddy]

Hmm... Texas and either ND or Tech is still on the table for ACC expansion:



And D^3 said Texas had to beg.

How many of these inane twitter/chip brown Texas updates have you provided? Basically none of them have come to fruition.

The only thing definitive that has happened since all of this started is that Pitt and Syracuse have now officially switched conferences and that has happened in the last 48 hrs.

Even aTm still hasn't left the B12. Texas is making concessions to jump somewhere. It has much less leverage than it did a month ago.

[Uncle Ted]

Pete Thamel: Obstacles Remain for the Pac-12

First, the Texas regents must approve of the deal when they meet Monday. (Oklahoma’s regents have made their interest known. Oklahoma State and Texas Tech are a package deal with Oklahoma and Texas.)

The second factor is completing the details of the new 16-team league, including the alignment of the divisions and how Texas’ Longhorn Network would fold into the Pac-12’s television contract structure. This will require intensive work for Scott, ESPN and Texas to see how things can be settled financially and in terms of branding, and still meet the approval of the Pac-12 presidents.

Once those issues are settled to a point where Scott can take the expansion possibility to his presidents, the third hurdle will be whether they approve the additions. (Scott has not addressed the issue with them yet, according to the Pac-12 official.)

This is not a given, because a majority of the presidents were not in favor of expanding as of last week. Arizona and Arizona State are concerned about losing a toehold in Los Angeles by potentially playing fewer games against U.C.L.A. and U.S.C. The newest members, Colorado and Utah, are worried that they made a move west and could now be placed in a division that would limit their exposure on the West Coast. (Colorado’s president, Bruce Benson, made his concerns public to The Denver Post.)

There are worries over the size of the league, the academic reputation of Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Oklahoma, and a philosophical concern over why the league needs to grow more in the wake of the blockbuster television contract signed this year.

[Red Legger]

Pete Thamel: Obstacles Remain for the Pac-12

Those aren't the only obstacles. What will UCLA say in 10 years when UT starts its 'tier 4' revenue stream on the side w/ ESPN Ocho? It'll start w/ just the University Shakespeare production and just one little volleyball game w/ Rice. Next thing you know...soap opera.

Ya'll Yutes get on w/ it. We're gonna go back to the Big 6 down here on the Kaw.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[venkman]

Hmm... Texas and either ND or Tech is still on the table for ACC expansion:



And D^3 said Texas had to beg.

TX to the ACC could be the best outcome for BYU. If they bolt, does the Pac 12 want OU without TX? And maybe OU, no longer having to deal with those UT a-holes decides to stick with the Big 12 and expand now that they'll be top dog. Or maybe they go to the SEC. Who the hell knows.

I'm 95% certain though that BYU will be left out. As Red Legger says just make up your effin mind already. I'm sick of dealing with this crap. Just get it over with so we can figure out who our new best of the dregs conference mates will be.

[CardiacCoug]

Hmm... Texas and either ND or Tech is still on the table for ACC expansion:



And D^3 said Texas had to beg.

Why the hell would Texas want to leave every single natural and historical rival behind to play in the ACC? That makes no sense to me, even if they got concessions on the Longhorn Network.

I do think that the presidents of AZ, ASU, along with Utah and Colorado may be strongly opposed to expanding the PAC-12. That's our best hope for keeping the Big 12 intact and BYU getting into it.

[Red Legger]

The only thing that will come out of this that provides a small consolation is that there will be a bunch of former crappy BCS teams who will now be left out in the cold and will feel the pain of BYU, TCU and others.

Say the Big 12 is cut down to Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor.

Any chance they could add Louisville, Houston, SMU, TCU, BYU, maybe West Virginia or other Big East dregs and continue to be a BCS conference?

That's not a terrible group -- probably as good as the current Big East.

BYU played their hand and lost. Just like KU played its Big 12 hand 15 years ago and have now lost. Time to get on w/ building the next Big 6. It's a heroic tale. And playing w/ the Big Boys ain't always fun. You often get mauled. The Yutes are about to find this out.

Kalifornia doesn't understand Teja$$. They will not stop. Ya'll think ya'll can box em in w/ lawyers and contracts and such foolishness? That's just drinking the coolaid. Ya'll think the LHN is gonna be laid to rest w/ Larry Scott rolling it into some sort of regional network? They'll just redefine the meaning of tier 4 media rights and roll the LHN into it. No Pac 16 office in Tejas? Expect Larry Scott to be commuting between his offices. They are what they are: the biggest, baddest, most popular college football team in the country. And they mean to collect every cent the biggest, baddest most popular college football team in the country has coming to it. The Buffs understand this and are already looking for a plank. My advice: get the money while you can, attach Utah to the Kalifornia schools and bail out as soon as possible.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[pellegrino]

How many of these inane twitter/chip brown Texas updates have you provided? Basically none of them have come to fruition.

The only thing definitive that has happened since all of this started is that Pitt and Syracuse have now officially switched conferences and that has happened in the last 48 hrs.

Even aTm still hasn't left the B12. Texas is making concessions to jump somewhere. It has much less leverage than it did a month ago.

Be nice to Ted, he's been keeping us all informed with little to no effort on our part.

[Gaffords]

Here is what we know: now Texas has to beg, give concessions, and get in line with everyone else to find a home. It has lost the leverage it thought it had

Why is that? As long as the BIG 10 doesn't panic and start expanding, why should Texas or ND panic? Does the PAC really want to push both UT/ND to the BIG 10? the PAC/SEC/ACC can all go to 16 but if the BIG 10 doesn't follow suit, all they did is send UT and ND to the B1G with the same deal.. and extension of a network... B1G would even be better because UT would be the only School in Texas on it.


Let me ask another question also... Why would Pitt and 'Cuse jump the gun and run to the ACC before the BIG 12 collapsed? Did they actually think the B1G or ACC would take KU/KSU/BU/TT before them? I am not knocking those schools by any means, but they already have established bonds... Why not wait and see if B1G came off the fence first? How in the world did they keep it completely quiet and just how long has this been in the works? I don't buy the over night thing. I question what was discussed at the ACC/BE/B12 meeting... Either way, they really put a squeeze on the SEC. I cannot see any school up the exit fee if they had a foot out the door for the SEC... Nor if they were hoping for an invite.

I wouldn't rule out BYU from anything. I know the Irish Alumni have got to be feeling the crunch by now... Plus ND's Pres can act in the best interest of the school with more authority now. What are they going to do?

[Red Legger]

Why is that? As long as the BIG 10 doesn't panic and start expanding, why should Texas or ND panic? Does the PAC really want to push both UT/ND to the BIG 10? the PAC/SEC/ACC can all go to 16 but if the BIG 10 doesn't follow suit, all they did is send UT and ND to the B1G with the same deal.. and extension of a network... B1G would even be better because UT would be the only School in Texas on it.

Outside of the money, why would the BiG want Tejas? It's like being married to a schizo. Why destroy the good things you have going for you? Personally, I wish to gawd we'd never invited the Whorns into the Big 8. We should have went west. Stupid move. I'm fine w/ starting over w/ the dregs. You know where you stand w/ these people. Much better than sitting here on Sunday night refreshing Chip's twitter feed.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Doesn't the University of Chicago have the right to rejoin the Big 10 at anytime? Think of the monkey wrench that could throw in!

[Gaffords]

What money can buy...

http://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/201...lege-football/

School Years Pct. Instances
SMU 17 29.3% 7
USC 15* 24.6% 6
Auburn 11 19.0% 4
Oklahoma 10 17.2% 5
Michigan St 10 17.2% 3
Wisconsin 9 15.5% 4
Colorado 9 15.5% 5
Alabama 9 15.5% 3
Illinois 9 15.5% 5
Texas A&M 9 15.5% 4
Kansas 8 13.8% 4
Oklahoma St 8 13.8% 2
Miami FL 8 13.8% 3
Kansas St 8 13.8% 4
California 8 13.8% 3
Arizona St 8 13.8% 4

I am highly impressed with BYU....

[KillerDog]

Outside of the money, why would the BiG want Tejas? It's like being married to a schizo. Why destroy the good things you have going for you? Personally, I wish to gawd we'd never invited the Whorns into the Big 8. We should have went west. Stupid move. I'm fine w/ starting over w/ the dregs. You know where you stand w/ these people. Much better than sitting here on Sunday night refreshing Chip's twitter feed.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

I'm with Red Legger. The Big 8 Should have picked up BYU and Utah, not the Texas crazies. Now we need to get our respective schools together and salvage this dog's dinner.

[Gaffords]

Doesn't the University of Chicago have the right to rejoin the Big 10 at anytime? Think of the monkey wrench that could throw in!

I think you are right, but they don't need to. They get what they want already CIC money.

[Portland Ute]

http://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/201...lege-football/

School Years Pct. Instances
SMU 17 29.3% 7
USC 15* 24.6% 6
Auburn 11 19.0% 4
Oklahoma 10 17.2% 5
Michigan St 10 17.2% 3
Wisconsin 9 15.5% 4
Colorado 9 15.5% 5
Alabama 9 15.5% 3
Illinois 9 15.5% 5
Texas A&M 9 15.5% 4
Kansas 8 13.8% 4
Oklahoma St 8 13.8% 2
Miami FL 8 13.8% 3
Kansas St 8 13.8% 4
California 8 13.8% 3
Arizona St 8 13.8% 4

I am highly impressed with BYU....

Tell you what.... I see USC, Auburn, Alabama, Oklahoma and Wisconsin near the top of that list.

The first four have recently won BCS championships. Wisconsin has been at or near the top of the BIG lately. Seems to me that cheaters do, in fact, win.