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  • When it rains it pours. It was nice knowing you, BYU athletics.

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    • When it rains it pours.

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      • Originally posted by USU Coug View Post
        Austin-American Statesman's Randy Riggs just tweeted



        http://twitter.com/#!/ranriggs/statu...34017108656128
        The PAC16 is going to be a very stupid name. They had better come up with something other than "PAC".

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        • looks like Texas might be able to keep the LHN

          The Pac-12 appears to be working out the final details of a deal that would bring Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech to the conference, sources close to the situation told Hookem.com and the American-Statesman on Sunday morning.
          Nothing has been accepted or approved, yet, but the deal would allow the Longhorns to keep the Longhorn Network.Texas, though, would have to add Pac-12 (soon to be 16) content to the LHN programming.
          http://www.statesman.com/blogs/conte...al_potent.html

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          • This is all impossible. Just ask SU.
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            • If the PAC adds Texas and OU, I dare say the SEC is no longer the clear cut top dog.
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              • This blows.
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                • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                  If the PAC adds Texas and OU, I dare say the SEC is no longer the clear cut top dog.
                  In both football and crappy academics. Tech and OSU? LOL!
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                  • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                    Chip Brown, this morning...
                    Wow... well it was fun to dream. 10 years from now BYU football will probably go the way of RICKS. Ute fans will be happy, and I'll be hearing about it from all my SLC friends for the rest of my life... what a depressing weak.

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                    • It seems the ACC's move took everyone off guard, including ND's AD Swarbrick...

                      How this affects ND is that Notre Dames men's and women's basketball teams and most of its Olympic sports are members of the Big East, and if that league starts to crumble, then ND may have to take another referendum on independence.

                      "All the time. All the time," Swarbrick said when asked Saturday, following ND's 31-13 upending of Michigan State, how often he plays the what if? game. "You have to. Everybody does. It's not unique to Notre Dame."

                      "Everyone has spent their time, for a significant portion of the past 14 months, engaged in this exercise. We're probably more active in analysis than some people, because we have more factors to manage.

                      "I thought of a lot of scenarios in my mind, but this was not one of them."

                      Football independence has been ND's preference since rebuffing the Big Ten more than a decade ago. The only triggers that figured to change that were restricted access to the Bowl Championship Series, the end of the NBC television contract and/or the implosion of the Big East Conference.

                      "We will approach this -- no matter what the change is -- with that as our goal," Swarbrick said of football independence. "We'll see whether we can manage our circumstances to meet that goal.

                      "It felt like maybe things were about to settle down a little bit. I think the Pac-12 was pretty intent on staying where it was. If that were true, the Big 12 had a chance to hold. This was a little bit of a surprise.

                      "There's so much I really don't know at this point, not the least of which whether it's in fact a done deal. We'll learn much more in the next 24-48 hours. I'll have a chance to talk with our colleagues in the conference, our coaches, (Notre Dame president) Father(John) Jenkins and figure out what it all mean."
                      ND may need to say goodbye to their media rights and be forced to join the Big Ten if they don't come up with some other options.
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                      • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                        It seems the ACC's move took everyone off guard, including ND's AD Swarbrick...



                        ND may need to say goodbye to their media rights and be forced to join the Big Ten if they don't come up with some other options.
                        Or maybe they to to Texas to say they're in (being able to keep their NBC contract), and Texas "changes" their mind about going to the Pac 12.

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                        • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                          It seems the ACC's move took everyone off guard, including ND's AD Swarbrick...



                          ND may need to say goodbye to their media rights and be forced to join the Big Ten if they don't come up with some other options.
                          Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                          http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N604FJ

                          Maybe Moli and his flight tracker hit on something last week.
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                          • http://www.statesman.com/blogs/conte...al_potent.html

                            As of right now, the conference is discussing an alignment where teams would play nine conference games. Teams would play every other team in their pod along with two teams from each of the other three pods.
                            If the Longhorns were in Pod A, they would play the other Pod A teams (Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech) every year. They would also play two teams from Pod B, Pod C and Pod D, bringing the total to nine conference games every year.
                            Well this might be OK. I've been against Texas and Texas Tech joining but... if it's gonna be... pods are the best option IMO.

                            Utah, Colorado, and the Arizona schools will certainly be in the same pod.

                            Some teams are up and some schools are rebuilding all on different years. Anyone winning the Championship of this Conference would be a damn good team, and capable of competing for a legitimate National Championship that was earned on the field. Not through some poll.

                            Utah's teams in 2004 and 2008 never got the chance to show what they could do matched against equal competition.
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                            • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                              In both football and crappy academics. Tech and OSU? LOL!
                              On academics, here are the US News & World Report rankings for the Pac-12, SEC, and other teams of interest...

                              PAC 12
                              5 Stanford
                              21 Cal
                              23 USC
                              25 UCLA
                              42 Washington
                              94 Colorado
                              101 Oregon
                              115 Washington State
                              124 Arizona
                              124 Utah
                              132 Arizona State
                              138 Oregon State

                              Ave = 79
                              Ave w/ OU, Okie St, UT, Tech = 86


                              SEC
                              17 Vanderbilt
                              58 Florida
                              62 Georgia
                              75 Alabama
                              82 Auburn
                              101 Tennessee
                              111 South Carolina
                              124 Kentucky
                              128 LSU
                              132 Arkansas
                              143 Mississippi
                              157 Mississippi State

                              Ave = 99
                              Ave w/ A&M = 96


                              Other
                              45 Texas
                              58 A&M
                              101 Oklahoma
                              132 Oklahoma State
                              160 Texas Tech

                              So the SEC just needs to find a couple of more Vandy's to add and the two conferences would be indistinguishable.
                              "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                              "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                              "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                This is all impossible. Just ask SU.
                                I've been wrong before...

                                This Syracuse and Pitt to the ACC development is a shocker. The ACC was just sitting there quietly like an allegator in the swamp, and then "chomp"! Now the Big 12 is reeling because Pitt was the jewel it had its eye on most of all. Certainly the ACC has to add two more teams. They have to have 16, not 14 teams (probably will add UConn for one). Now I'm thinking that with that precedent there might be a Pac 16. I'm in shock. (It seems only the California schools can counterbalance Texas. I'd rather have the Kansas schools than Oklahoma State or Texas Tech.)
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                                --Jonathan Swift

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