The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Moliere]

I like that. The Pac-12 stays the Pac-12.

They could then add SDSU, UNLV, BSU, and New Mexico and change the name to the PACMTN!

[Uncle Ted]

I think Louisville, TCU, and BYU to the Big 12. Make them 12 again, and hope that all this crap is over.

Dammit, how many times do I need to tell you people that TCU is not coming to the Big 12. I see TCU's future in, maybe, the SEC once the Big East is raided and becomes a non-football only conference.

[byu71]

I'm going to invest $10 each with you and Viking. I'm sure one of you can turn it into 10K.

[shoganai]

What makes you think 4 x 16 is likely? If Big 10, SEC, and ACC go to 16 and Big 12 is still sitting there with 10 and Pac with 12. And TV networks are still willing to pay big bucks for Texas, OK football and Texas, KS basketball, why would Texas feel compelled to bolt to the Pac?

I don't know if it's likely or not.

[Mormon Red Death]

I like that. The Pac-12 stays the Pac-12.

That sounds great IMO.

How about this scenario.

ND, PITT, Maryland & BC (or Cuse) go to the B1G (opens up Boston, and DC for the Big10 Network).

FLA st, Clemson/lViille, Va Tech & aTm to the SEC

West Va, Cuse, uconn, lville & TCU to the ACC

What is left for the Big12? Rutgers, USF, byu, AF, Miami & Memphis

[Viking]

I'm going to invest $10 each with you and Viking. I'm sure one of you can turn it into 10K.

$10 into $10,000


Wow, That's 15% cagr over 50 yrs roughly. Don't ask me!

[BemidjiCoug]

Dammit, how many times do I need to tell you people that TCU is not coming to the Big 12. I see TCU's future in, maybe, the SEC once the Big East is raided and becomes a non-football only conference.

Why wouldn't they go to the Big 12? Not saying your wrong, just wondering what their reasons might be?

[San Juan Sun]

New markets is BS. That's the biggest fallacy of this whole super conference thing. College football is national.

You're right. The whole rational of a super conference is to get the biggest tv deal for your conference. Market size has less to do with it than ratings do. That's why Nebraska and ND are big fish despite low population states, and Missouri gets about as lucky as the chubby girl in the Steve Young/Dirk Nowitzki photo.

[Moliere]

I think it's much more likely schools like USC and Ohio State are going to look at how much revenue Texas is pulling in, and say screw this subsidizing crap schools like Northwestern and Utah, we're out.

Utah isn't subsidized, at least not for the next couple years.

[Babs]

Missouri's the only remaining team that might get poached.

A nine team Big 12 is plenty stable with the current schools + BYU.

Our paradigm has completely changed, ignoring that for decades nine team conferences did just fine. What's so bad about a nine team conference? As long as Texas, OK, OK St, TT, and BYU are playing FB every Saturday, they're going to have TV sets on. As long as Texas, OU, OK St, KU, K St are playing basketball games, they will have TV sets. Stop worrying about this poaching nonsense.

First, I don't worry about football. Second, note that a fourth of the conference has already been poached.

As far as eight- and nine- team success goes, that was pre-BCS. It became pretty apparent over the last fifteen years that the larger conferences with the conference title games had an advantage in getting to the BCS championship. The conference title and BCS championship games both represent a lot of money.

Also, conference strength/stability is largely a psychological construct, and right now everyone believes the Big12 is unstable. For that very reason, it is unstable.

[Moliere]

Why do people assume there can only be 4 superconferences? Seems like 5 would work just fine and it's easy to get there by imploding the Big East. Come on Big 12, do what you gotta do!

[jay santos]

When you have your own network you care about what markets your in. Not every game is Oklahoma vs Texas. Some are Utah vs. Colorado where only those two markets watch.

I still don't get it. There's a pile of cash out there for college football this year. The TV revenue will be distributed according to eyeballs. Switching around conferences is not going to change which games people decide to watch. So Colorado, for example, is going to deliver the same revenue to the Pac this year as it did the Big 12 last year. How is all this shuffling making any real impact on the financials of the member institutions of the conferences? The logic just doesn't seem there.

[Blueintheface]

Shogonai was just informed that the Earth is in fact round. Let common sense take over, Sho.

There is no doubting in this dojo, is there?

[BemidjiCoug]

You're right. The whole rational of a super conference is to get the biggest tv deal for your conference. Market size has less to do with it than ratings do. That's why Nebraska and ND are big fish despite low population states, and Missouri gets about as lucky as the chubby girl in the Steve Young/Dirk Nowitzki photo.

You are still thinking along the lines of Conferences not having their own networks.

With the Big Ten having its own network the more teams it can add from other states and large markets the more homes will demand that their network is added to their cable/satellite package. Also, the more fans they will have watching Northwestern vs Indiana.

Everyone out West has this mindset that its all about your TV deal. The Big Ten has its own network they are all about growing that network increasing by increasing their market share. PAC 12 is thinking millions per team. Big Ten is thinking Billions

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I could see the Big Ten raiding the Big East (Pitt, Syracuse, West Virgina, Rutgers/Uconn) or stealing Missouri from the Big 12. That would bring them to 16 and expand to new markets.

The Big Ten's place at the table is assured. It only wants to make significant additions and Nebraska was exactly that. Unless it's Texas and Oklahoma, the Big Ten doesn't care.

With that said I actually think UConn and Syracuse would be their targets, and not particularly Missouri, if they have any targets (not named Texas) at all right now. They think they already control a big chunk of Missouri and they control western PA -- so no Pitt.