The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Uncle Ted]

Why wouldn't they go to the Big 12? Not saying your wrong, just wondering what their reasons might be?

(1) TCU adds nothing to the Big 12 in terms of TVs. The DFW market is already owned by UT and OU fans.

(2) There is a lot of history and bad blood between TCU and the Big 12. TCU doesn't care for UT much.

[Uncle Ted]

Why do people assume there can only be 4 superconferences? Seems like 5 would work just fine and it's easy to get there by imploding the Big East. Come on Big 12, do what you gotta do!

Because four super conferences of 16 teams each makes for a nice one-game playoff for the NC game.

[BemidjiCoug]

(2) There is a lot of history and bad blood between TCU and the Big 12. TCU doesn't care for UT much.

I would think that their history would make the Conference better. Unless its like a you hit my dog with your car and called my wife ugly type of histories?

[San Juan Sun]

You are still thinking along the lines of Conferences not having their own networks.

With the Big Ten having its own network the more teams it can add from other states and large markets the more homes will demand that their network is added to their cable/satellite package. Also, the more fans they will have watching Northwestern vs Indiana.

Everyone out West has this mindset that its all about your TV deal. The Big Ten has its own network they are all about growing that network increasing by increasing their market share. PAC 12 is thinking millions per team. Big Ten is thinking Billions

I'm not out West, and you have no idea what (or even if) I'm thinking.

I live in Big 10 country, where they are still having issues with BTN distribution. Keep in mind that Fox owns 51% of BTN, but still has had a tough time getting it onto cable and satellite systems 3 years in. Now multiply that conference TV station problem by 5 (or 4 for Shoganai). Each of those stations is going to have to be added on as a premium channel by whatever distributor picks them up. I highly doubt that a Big TenNetwork style station will work for multiple conferences, each with more territory but less population density that the Big 10.

[LiveCoug]

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What the? When did I score my own emoticon?

[jay santos]

First, I don't worry about football. Second, note that a fourth of the conference has already been poached.

As far as eight- and nine- team success goes, that was pre-BCS. It became pretty apparent over the last fifteen years that the larger conferences with the conference title games had an advantage in getting to the BCS championship.

Disagree. Has there ever been a case where a #1 or #2 team in a non-championship conference got jumped after the regular season ended by a team winning a conference championship? Can't remember one but could be wrong. Has there ever been a case where #1 or #2 after regular season lost the conf championship and lost a chance to play for national championship. Yes. So it seems your argument actually works against your position.

The conference title and BCS championship games both represent a lot of money.

What's the conf title game worth? Let's say $10M. That's $1M per school. And you get the advantage of not having to divide the other money with extra schools. It's not a lot of money--certainly not enough to cause a conference to become unstable.

Also, conference strength/stability is largely a psychological construct, and right now everyone believes the Big12 is unstable. For that very reason, it is unstable.

Psychological to a fan. Not to the people counting the money.

[Mormon Red Death]

I'm not out West, and you have no idea what (or even if) I'm thinking.

I live in Big 10 country, where they are still having issues with BTN distribution. Keep in mind that Fox owns 51% of BTN, but still has had a tough time getting it onto cable and satellite systems 3 years in. Now multiply that conference TV station problem by 5 (or 4 for Shoganai). Each of those stations is going to have to be added on as a premium channel by whatever distributor picks them up. I highly doubt that a Big TenNetwork style station will work for multiple conferences, each with more territory but less population density that the Big 10.

They had issues where you live 2 years ago. They are solved now and the B1G won. Comcast thought they would play hardball but ultimately lost.

[jay santos]

Because four super conferences of 16 teams each makes for a nice one-game playoff for the NC game.

While nice from a fan perspective, there is so much that would have to happen to pull it off. And motives of all players involved are not to create a nice, clean playoff for a national championship.

[San Juan Sun]

Comcast thought they would play hardball but ultimately lost.

Just like their master, the Devil.

[Mormon Red Death]

Disagree. Has there ever been a case where a #1 or #2 team in a non-championship conference got jumped after the regular season ended by a team winning a conference championship? Can't remember one but could be wrong. Has there ever been a case where #1 or #2 after regular season lost the conf championship and lost a chance to play for national championship. Yes. So it seems your argument actually works against your position.


What's the conf title game worth? Let's say $10M. That's $1M per school. And you get the advantage of not having to divide the other money with extra schools. It's not a lot of money--certainly not enough to cause a conference to become unstable.



Psychological to a fan. Not to the people counting the money.

1997 maybe?(Michigan & Nebraska undefeated

2003 and 2008 propelled SEC teams to the champ game due the champ game.

[jay santos]

You are still thinking along the lines of Conferences not having their own networks.

With the Big Ten having its own network the more teams it can add from other states and large markets the more homes will demand that their network is added to their cable/satellite package. Also, the more fans they will have watching Northwestern vs Indiana.

Everyone out West has this mindset that its all about your TV deal. The Big Ten has its own network they are all about growing that network increasing by increasing their market share. PAC 12 is thinking millions per team. Big Ten is thinking Billions

Here's what's going to happen with these networks. Delaney signs a deal where he gets $1 for every subscriber in his territory. Then he goes and signs Rutgers. And gets ungodly amount of money for the Rutgers territory. And DTV comes back and says wow we got burned on that one. Big 10 ratings in NYC didn't change one bit after adding Rutgers to the conference. Michigan-Ohio St got a 4.9 in NYC last year and they got a 4.9 in NYC this year. I guess that whole $1/subscriber thing was a dumb idea. Let's redo the contract to make it based on actual viewers. Then Michigan-Ohio State say this is crap we added all these schools and now our share is lower than before. Let's recreate a new conference with just the original 10 and drop all these losers like Rutgers and Missouri that were brought in just to increase a temporary TV contract. And thus the whole crazy thing continues.

[dabrockster]

Your post only has seven emoticons. You're going to need to expand to keep up.

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Only lets you add 10 images.. How ironic is that!!!

[Green Monstah]

Dammit, how many times do I need to tell you people that TCU is not coming to the Big 12. I see TCU's future in, maybe, the SEC once the Big East is raided and becomes a non-football only conference.

Particularly since A&M will provide them access to Texas and TCU's Basketball program sucks.

[dabrockster]

What the? When did I score my own emoticon?

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[dabrockster]

I'm not out West, and you have no idea what (or even if) I'm thinking.

I live in Big 10 country, where they are still having issues with BTN distribution. Keep in mind that Fox owns 51% of BTN, but still has had a tough time getting it onto cable and satellite systems 3 years in. Now multiply that conference TV station problem by 5 (or 4 for Shoganai). Each of those stations is going to have to be added on as a premium channel by whatever distributor picks them up. I highly doubt that a Big TenNetwork style station will work for multiple conferences, each with more territory but less population density that the Big 10.

Huh?? I have DirectTV and have full access to Big 10 Network all the time and so can anyone nationally.. Not sure where the distributing problem is that you are talking about??

It might be locally with Time Warner problem but with DirectTV.......

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