The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[originalsocal]

Right now the only Dem that seems dumb enough to run against Abbott is Beto. I’m sure he will say he will save the Big 12 if it will get him money from out-of-state. Maybe PAC 12 folks are dumb enough to pony up a few dollars for his campaign if he will promise he will keep TCU and Baylor out of their conference. Beto running in elections he will never win is good for the Texas economy.

Ted, you are one weird dude. How in the hell did this turn into Beto O'Roark running for governor. Get some help man!

[All-American]

Does this mean that one Kansas guy will come back? I liked him.

[BigFatMeanie]

Does this mean that one Kansas guy will come back? I liked him.

RedLegger

[Uncle Ted]

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Yeah, the Big 12 leftovers are screwed. The B1G isn't going to take any of them either, especially with the new ACC/B1G/PAC alliance. Maybe they can change their name back to the Big 8.

[Clark Addison]

RedLegger

Ha, forgot about him. The guy that would always call Mizzou "Slavers". I liked him

[All-American]

Ha, forgot about him. The guy that would always call Mizzou "Slavers". I liked him

Hope he comes back.

[Uncle Ted]

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[beefytee]

I'm on the fence about joining the Big 12. Football would be a slight upgrade as we would have fewer Idaho State caliber schools on our schedule and a much better lineup most Novembers. The big difference would be playing Kansas every year in basketball. If it is certain Kansas is staying (how can one be certain), I would take the leap.

[Applejack]

I'm on the fence about joining the Big 12. Football would be a slight upgrade as we would have fewer Idaho State caliber schools on our schedule and a much better lineup most Novembers. The big difference would be playing Kansas every year in basketball. If it is certain Kansas is staying (how can one be certain), I would take the leap.

I don’t understand this viewpoint: the big 12 (in its current depleted state) is much better than independence. You get better schedules, a conference championship to persue, and (as of now) access to the bcs. Yeah, Kansas might leave, or Iowa state, or Texas tech (haha, just joking, no one wants tech), but then you are in the same position you are in now.

seems like a win-draw to me.

[Bo Diddley]

I don’t understand this viewpoint: the big 12 (in its current depleted state) is much better than independence. You get better schedules, a conference championship to persue, and (as of now) access to the bcs. Yeah, Kansas might leave, or Iowa state, or Texas tech (haha, just joking, no one wants tech), but then you are in the same position you are in now.

seems like a win-draw to me.

I have serious concerns about the long term health of the Big 12. Scheduling in Independence takes a long time to develop, and we are now reaping benefits years in the making.

[Clark Addison]

I don’t understand this viewpoint: the big 12 (in its current depleted state) is much better than independence. You get better schedules, a conference championship to persue, and (as of now) access to the bcs. Yeah, Kansas might leave, or Iowa state, or Texas tech (haha, just joking, no one wants tech), but then you are in the same position you are in now.

seems like a win-draw to me.

I feel dirty about this but I agree with AJ

[Flystripper]

Most people here know how I feel about independence. I would join with the remanence of the big 12 in a heartbeat. Independence will always be there if it does not work out.

I doubt BYU ever gets an invite though.

[LiveCoug]

I have serious concerns about the long term health of the Big 12. Scheduling in Independence takes a long time to develop, and we are now reaping benefits years in the making.

This year's Indy schedule is good. They get worse after this year though and '24 schedule? Woof.

[Goatnapper'96]

I don’t understand this viewpoint: the big 12 (in its current depleted state) is much better than independence. You get better schedules, a conference championship to persue, and (as of now) access to the bcs. Yeah, Kansas might leave, or Iowa state, or Texas tech (haha, just joking, no one wants tech), but then you are in the same position you are in now.

seems like a win-draw to me.

I agree. Consistent decent scheduling and it means that BYU would likely only play 1-2 (perhaps none with the alliance scheduling agreements) games per year against programs with more resources. This season BYU is playing 7 teams with far more resources and future schedules are set up for 4-5. If BYU can still pick up Utah and some other team from the other 4 big conferences, of Notre Dame, and then play 8-9 Big 12 teams plus 1-2 non-BCS/FCS teams that makes for consistent better home schedules and a schedule where 10 wins is not a pipe dream for BYU. I will take those benefits to lose the great road games/neutral games we would lose over the next 5 years. Further, I think BYU would be increasing its resources for football and basketball.

Finally, OSU has its own cross country facility. Not a course at a park or golf course but a facility just dedicated to XC courses- that is where we belong! Finally, the back of the next state quarter for Utah will have a blond haired blue eyed 27 year old marathoner mother of 4 jogging in place, with a double jogging pram, at a stoplight!

[beefytee]

Most people here know how I feel about independence. I would join with the remanence of the big 12 in a heartbeat. Independence will always be there if it does not work out.

I doubt BYU ever gets an invite though.

I generally don't like independence and have advocated going back to the MWC with a special contract at one point. But I don't know that the "We can just go back to independence if things don't work out" line of thinking makes sense. It takes a lot of time and effort to get into a manageable spot with independence (one of the reasons I don't like it). If we join the Big 12 and it falls apart, I think we have to consider an MWC style conference (whatever the new make up is) as the landing point. Once we give up independence, I don't think it is wise to consider going back.