The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Goatnapper'96]

Hey guys... Just checking in.

I am still confident BYU will be in the Big-12.

[Green Monstah]

What's a BCS autobid?

10 teams go into the BCS. You have to be #14 to qualify (or a conf champ which almost always are top 14 or higher especially with the Big East crumbling). Notre Dame's deal I think is that they are auto if they are 8 or higher? Or is it 10 or higher? I don't think it's super likely we get snubbed if we're top 10 anyway.

As in, the best of the indies/alliance automatically go to a BCS bowl game.

[Green Monstah]

I am still confident BYU will be in the Big-12.

OOC, based on what?

[YOhio]

OOC, based on what?

You know how rational people change their mind when the facts change? Goatnapper isn't like that.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

You know how rational people change their mind when the facts change? Goatnapper isn't like that.

What exact facts do we have about Big 12 expansion? Also when did they change?

[Goatnapper'96]

What exact facts do we have about Big 12 expansion? Also when did they change?

The only fact is that the Big-12 will need to get back to at least 12 for a conference championship game. I believe they will conclude that is in their financial interest to do so. I continue to believe BYU will be one of those 12.

[SeattleUte]

Notre Dame AD: Prop 8 sucked for us. You guys?
Holmoe: Totally.
Notre Dame AD: You wanna start an athletic conference?
Holmoe: I guess. What about the service academies?
Notre Dame AD: whatever.
Holmoe: cool.

ND did not favor prop 8. Your mistake is assuming a Catholic university is the same as the Catholic Church. They are not on BYU's model; only Bob Jones and a small handful of probably unaccredited schools, not widely known schools, are on BYU's model.

ND calls itself a Catholic university, maintains some physical improvements at the campus and tweaks the curriculum in homage to this tradition. That's about it.

[SeattleUte]

The only fact is that the Big-12 will need to get back to at least 12 for a conference championship game. I believe they will conclude that is in their financial interest to do so. I continue to believe BYU will be one of those 12.

I think that if they didn't feel they had run out of teams they would go to 12 now.

[doctorcoug]

BYU figured out when TCU got invited that it had better start plan B.

The B12 has been talking with them. I don't know how those have really gone.

But plan B is also being worked on by ND.

So there's a good chance of an alliance that upgrades our schedule to de facto BCS quality...

But there's now a horse race for ND in non-football and in a few years, football. The Big Ten is the natural fit.

However, they'd need a 14th team. Hence BYU goes into the mix.

So whose hand does this force??

You got it...the Pac12. They won't get ND, but they can add BYU/AF. This now gets the B12 with one last look at BYU.

[Goatnapper'96]

BYU figured out when TCU got invited that it had better start plan B.

The B12 has been talking with them. I don't know how those have really gone.

But plan B is also being worked on by ND.

So there's a good chance of an alliance that upgrades our schedule to de facto BCS quality...

But there's now a horse race for ND in non-football and in a few years, football. The Big Ten is the natural fit.

However, they'd need a 14th team. Hence BYU goes into the mix.

So whose hand does this force??

You got it...the Pac12. They won't get ND, but they can add BYU/AF. This now gets the B12 with one last look at BYU.

Iowa State will be the 14th program for the Big 10...but that isn't for a long time.

[Jennerstein]

BYU figured out when TCU got invited that it had better start plan B.

The B12 has been talking with them. I don't know how those have really gone.

But plan B is also being worked on by ND.

So there's a good chance of an alliance that upgrades our schedule to de facto BCS quality...

But there's now a horse race for ND in non-football and in a few years, football. The Big Ten is the natural fit.

However, they'd need a 14th team. Hence BYU goes into the mix.

So whose hand does this force??

You got it...the Pac12. They won't get ND, but they can add BYU/AF. This now gets the B12 with one last look at BYU.

The above is so completely ridiculous that it just might be true. If, however, you made this up just to tweak SU's nose, I applaud you.

[Blueintheface]

The only fact is that the Big-12 will need to get back to at least 12 for a conference championship game. I believe they will conclude that is in their financial interest to do so. I continue to believe BYU will be one of those 12.

My guess on that timeline might differ from yours but I agree. I think it will be later rather than sooner though. It may take not having the championship game for a couple of years for these guys and gals to realize what they are missing out on. I'm guessing at 2015.

[YOhio]

What exact facts do we have about Big 12 expansion? Also when did they change?

We know that they have recently added two teams, neither of which are BYU. One of those teams makes sense to add because it's within the geographic footprint of the Big 12. The other makes sense only if the conference is pursuing an eastward expansion. There are other facts, but I consider those ones the most relevant.

[lambdacoug]

BYU figured out when TCU got invited that it had better start plan B.

The B12 has been talking with them. I don't know how those have really gone.

But plan B is also being worked on by ND.

So there's a good chance of an alliance that upgrades our schedule to de facto BCS quality...

But there's now a horse race for ND in non-football and in a few years, football. The Big Ten is the natural fit.

However, they'd need a 14th team. Hence BYU goes into the mix.

So whose hand does this force??

You got it...the Pac12. They won't get ND, but they can add BYU/AF. This now gets the B12 with one last look at BYU.

Sounds too good to be true...

[lambdacoug]

We know that they have recently added two teams, neither of which are BYU. One of those teams makes sense to add because it's within the geographic footprint of the Big 12. The other makes sense only if the conference is pursuing an eastward expansion. There are other facts, but I consider those ones the most relevant.

That's not a fact.