The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[lambdacoug]

This is pretty awesome

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars...tball.html.csp

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This is spin. The whole thing translates into "We knew Sunday play was an issue with BYU, we tried to accomodate that, but they wouldn't back off on demands for guaranteed exposure." Which further distills to "BYU overplayed its hand." Which is precisely what has been rumored since TCU. This article is an attempt to unpiss off fans. I think I'll always have a soft spot for my alma mater, but this is a clear signal to sign off.

I'm thinking MLS is in need of some fans.

Go Sporting KC! :rockon2:

[Coach McGuirk]

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This is spin. The whole thing translates into "We knew Sunday play was an issue with BYU, we tried to accomodate that, but they wouldn't back off on demands for guaranteed exposure." Which further distills to "BYU overplayed its hand." Which is precisely what has been rumored since TCU. This article is an attempt to unpiss off fans. I think I'll always have a soft spot for my alma mater, but this is a clear signal to sign off.

I'm thinking MLS is in need of some fans.

Go Sporting KC! :rockon2:

Sweet thank you. Go find an mls sight.

[Omaha 680]

Sweet thank you. Go find an mls sight.

Don't tell him to leave right after he found the emoticons.

[LA Ute]

So I was right, Viking, 3D, et al. were wrong. It was the CULTure, stupids. Don't ever say I don't know my football.

It's probably been a while since you've been to a sacrament meeting, so I thought this might be a little trip down nostalgia lane for you. Here's a high council speaker at a recent meeting:

[lambdacoug]

Sweet thank you. Go find an mls sight.

Oh, I'll hardly go away, but my investment will be much lower, about as much as the school is half assed in its athletic investment. But like I said before, leaving the religion didn't take the fan out of me, I doubt this will either, but I'm done caring at the level I care now until the administration can get a clue and fully support its athletes and fans.

[lambdacoug]

This is pretty awesome

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars...tball.html.csp

I'm wondering why this is the only story like this. When it came out AFA turned down the Big 12, it was reported at several sites, not this one. *shrug*

[EuropeanFootballMale]

Milagros isn't even open on Sunday you troublemakers

[Uncle Ted]

Chip Brown from inside the war room...

We continue to wait to hear from Missouri about whether the Tigers will stay or go from the Big 12. It depends on who you talk to about what the Tigers will do.

Several Big 12 administrators and interim commissioner Chuck Neinas think the Tigers are going to stay in the Big 12. A key source close to the situation who told me on Sept. 22 that TCU had become the top candidate to join the Big 12 and who also told me BYU was no longer interested in joining the Big 12 thinks Missouri is leaving.

So we wait.

Like Texas A&M's situation, Missouri's board of curators has taken over the process. And any time you have appointed laymen making decisions about college athletics, you have the great unknown. (It's still mind-boggling to me that A&M's regents - basically riding the vocal majority of its fan base - decided to join the SEC after school administrators decided to stay in the Big 12 and signed a 13-year TV contract with Fox in April that guaranteed A&M $20 million next year in TV revenue.)

But the Big 12 seems secure with or without Missouri. That wasn't the case in early September when OU was sending out signals that the Big 12 could not survive without Texas A&M and without Missouri. And I'm not saying the Big 12 will be better off without Missouri. The Tigers are an AAU school that helps to bolster the Big 12 academically. And MU's football under Gary Pinkel has gotten better. And Mizzou has a great rivalry with Kansas.

With or without the Tigers, however, the feeling in the Big 12 and among industry sources is that the Big 12 will survive as long as Texas and OU want it to survive. And, right now, they do.

Neinas said this week he thinks the Big 12 will stay at 10 schools. He even indicated that if Missouri leaves the Big 12, the Tigers wouldn't leave until after the 2012-13 school year. That would be a convenient time table for any possible replacement for Mizzou from the Big East, which requires 27 months' notice to leave.

And right now I'm hearing West Virginia would be the leading candidate to replace Mizzou.

There is differing opinion in the Big 12 about whether to be a 10-team league or a 12-team league.

Texas prefers a 10-team league on the belief it should be easier for the Big 12 to get two teams into the BCS without a championship game upset to possibly derail the two best teams from the regular season getting a BCS bid.

It's also easier for scheduling purposes with 9 conference games in football. ADs like that because it's getting harder and harder to schedule weaker teams in what is classified in the business as a "buy" game. (Those schools are asking for more and more money to come to Austin or Norman to get beat.)

But there are others in the Big 12 who want to go back to 12 schools and a championship game. Those schools feel like the pool of candidates (West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) may never be as good again.

Right now, however, it appears the league will stay at 10. At least for now. And Texas continues to tell the rest of the league not to count out Notre Dame moving its "other" sports into the Big 12, especially if the Big East continues to destabilize.

Stay tuned. (BROWN)

[Maximus]

I love cb trying to defend Indy over big 12. What a joke.

[TripletDaddy]

So this whole thing dragged out for 6 weeks over Sunday play.

Sure, that is believable.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I love cb trying to defend Indy over big 12. What a joke.

Funny stuff. But I am still disturbed with how readily they throw around the word 'bigot'.

Perhaps they should ask someone for a clarification. Darron Smith could provide some insight.

[SeattleUte]

So this whole thing dragged out for 6 weeks over Sunday play.

Sure, that is believable.

All kidding aside, I don't get why you all should think no Sunday play wouldn't be a deal killer. First, the very fact that BYU is completely inflexible on this issue should indicate to you that it's potentially a deal killer.

Who cares how many Sunday games the Big 12 has played. What the article explains makes TOTAL sense to me. The Big 12, a dynamic organization amid traumatic change in an ever-changing, media driven money driven modern world simply can't bind 11 other schools to BYU's elimination of fully one-half the weekend as available for games. Neither could ESPN tie its hands this way.

There is also something distastefully arrogant about imposing such a restriction. Most people, even Baptists, see no Sunday play as like abstaining from shellfish. Consider a more neutral example. What if a Jehova's Witness school said no national anthems at their games. You'd start to wonder if you should marry this school. Call it a CULTural issue or BYU thinks it's shit don't stink syndrome. This no Sunday play issue is annoying in its own right. The more I think about it h more see how it must grate. BYU can Lord its "principles" over MWC schools but not Texas. No Sunday play speaks volumes about much more that is offensive to the titans at places like Texas such as lack of academic freedom. But how easy to just stop at no Sunday play and say, sorry, that kills it.

The bottom line is neither ESPN nor the Big 12 wanted BYU enough to put Sunday in a locked drawer forever. And I bet this alone keeps BYU independent forever.

[Jeff Lebowski]

All kidding aside, I don't get why you all should think no Sunday play wouldn't be a deal killer. First, the very fact that BYU is completely inflexible on this issue should indicate to you that it's potentially a deal killer.

Who cares how many Sunday games the Big 12 has played. What the article explains makes TOTAL sense to me. The Big 12, a dynamic organization amid traumatic change in an ever-changing, media driven money driven modern world simply can't bind 11 other schools to BYU's elimination of fully one-half the weekend as available for games. Neither could ESPN tie its hands this way.

There is also something distastefully arrogant about imposing such a restriction. Most people, even Baptists, see no Sunday play as like abstaining from shellfish. Consider a more neutral example. What if a Jehova's Witness school said no national anthems at their games. You'd start to wonder if you should marry this school. Call it a CULTural issue or BYU thinks it's shit don't stink syndrome. This no Sunday play issue is annoying in its own right. The more I think about it h more see how it must grate. BYU can Lord its "principles" over MWC schools but not Texas. No Sunday play speaks volumes about much more that is offensive to the titans at places like Texas such as lack of academic freedom. But how easy to just stop at no Sunday play and say, sorry, that kills it.

The bottom line is neither ESPN nor the Big 12 wanted BYU enough to put Sunday in a locked drawer forever. And I bet this alone keeps BYU independent forever.

My goodness, you can be incredibly obnoxious sometimes.

[byu71]

All kidding aside, I don't get why you all should think no Sunday play wouldn't be a deal killer. First, the very fact that BYU is completely inflexible on this issue should indicate to you that it's potentially a deal killer.

Who cares how many Sunday games the Big 12 has played. What the article explains makes TOTAL sense to me. The Big 12, a dynamic organization amid traumatic change in an ever-changing, media driven money driven modern world simply can't bind 11 other schools to BYU's elimination of fully one-half the weekend as available for games. Neither could ESPN tie its hands this way.

There is also something distastefully arrogant about imposing such a restriction. Most people, even Baptists, see no Sunday play as like abstaining from shellfish. Consider a more neutral example. What if a Jehova's Witness school said no national anthems at their games. You'd start to wonder if you should marry this school. Call it a CULTural issue or BYU thinks it's shit don't stink syndrome. This no Sunday play issue is annoying in its own right. The more I think about it h more see how it must grate. BYU can Lord its "principles" over MWC schools but not Texas. No Sunday play speaks volumes about much more that is offensive to the titans at places like Texas such as lack of academic freedom. But how easy to just stop at no Sunday play and say, sorry, that kills it.

The bottom line is neither ESPN nor the Big 12 wanted BYU enough to put Sunday in a locked drawer forever. And I bet this alone keeps BYU independent forever.

I guarantee you, all kidding aside, no Sunday play is NOT a "our shit dont stink" issue. It is a firm principle of the LDS church. They are not out campaigning that anyone who does play on Sunday is evil. Maybe some overzealous members do, but not BYU.

I am not a fan of all things BYU, but I do support wholly sticking to that principle.

[SeattleUte]

My goodness, you can be incredibly obnoxious sometimes.

Okay, I'll go with the Tribunes inside BYU sources and you can make up your own explanations.

I'll go with common sense too. I said a month ago in this hread I didnt see why no Sunday play wasn't a deal killer by itself.