The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[shoganai]

The BYU admin has believed for a long time that if it could get all/most of the LDS players that historically defect to elite conferences, they would become a force to be reckoned with nationally.

"All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't stop us," was Glenn Tucket's exact phrase. Obviously that's hyperbole, but the point is clear.

How much BCS membership would affect BYU's LDS recruiting makes for fun speculation.

I also agree with the sentiments that the LDS pool of athletes is starting to catch up with the skill positions. It caught up with the quarterbacks in the mid-90s. Now it's starting to creep in elsewhere, slowly but surely. Who ever heard of a black returned missionary defensive back before Brandon Bradley? How about an RM receiver like Austin Collie?

[Goatnapper'96]

The BYU admin has believed for a long time that if it could get all/most of the LDS players that it has historically lost to elite programs and conferences, they would become a force to be reckoned with nationally.

"All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't stop us," was the exact phrase Glenn Tuckett used. Obviously that's hyperbole, but the point is clear.

How much closer to that BYU will get as a member of a BCS conference is definitely fun to speculate on.

I also agree with the above sentiments that the growing LDS pool of athletes is starting to catch up with the skill positions. It caught up with the quarterbacks in the mid-90s. Now it's starting to creep in elsewhere, slowly but surely. Who ever heard of a black returned missionary defensive back before Brandon Bradley? How about an RM receiver like Austin Collie?

The one area where I think they could be shortchanging themselves is in the belief that they will land all the LDS kids they want even with being a BCS member. I really believe the key to improving the program is improving the non-LDS recruiting.

We have been able to hide behind the BCS challenges but it might be that not all LDS kids want the BYU experience and BYU might have to convince those kids that it is in their best football interests to choose BYU.

I think Mendenhall will pivot his approach. The LDS angle was his leverage against BCS competitors, I think he will adapt to his new environment. He might even not piss off Blueintheface or '71 as frequently!

[byu71]

The BYU admin has believed for a long time that if it could get all/most of the LDS players that historically defect to elite conferences, they would become a force to be reckoned with nationally.

"All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't stop us," was Glenn Tucket's exact phrase. Obviously that's hyperbole, but the point is clear.

How much BCS membership would affect BYU's LDS recruiting makes for fun speculation.

I also agree with the sentiments that the LDS pool of athletes is starting to catch up with the skill positions. It caught up with the quarterbacks in the mid-90s. Now it's starting to creep in elsewhere, slowly but surely. Who ever heard of a black returned missionary defensive back before Brandon Bradley? How about an RM receiver like Austin Collie?

We miss out on a lot of LDS for reasons other than going to elite programs.

Do you think we will ever truly recognize the value an excellent athletic program brings to the University. Would we ever get to the point of saying, hey the 2.5 GPA athlete is bringing a lot more to the University than the 3.8 kid who excells in modern dance. If not, we are going to still miss out on a lot of LDS kids.

[TripletDaddy]

Interesting article on how Karma is treating some of the conference expansion jumpers

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...g-teams-100311

Nebraska: lost
Colorado: lost
aTm: lost
Utah: lost

The list goes on. Utah, a perennial BCS contender when it was in the Mountain West Conference, is downright irrelevant in the Pac-12 thus far in 2011. Now 0-2 in conference play after forgetting to show up in their conference home opener Saturday vs. Washington, the Utes face No. 22 Arizona State next Saturday, then travel to Pittsburgh and California in back-to-back weeks. They’ll most likely be 2-5 after that stretch. In their old conference, Utah was always in the national conversation, playing in big nationally televised games on random weeknights in November, and finding their way into BCS bowls. Now? Good luck with that.

ouch!

[cougjunkie]

Interesting article on how Karma is treating some of the conference expansion jumpers

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...g-teams-100311

Nebraska: lost
Colorado: lost
aTm: lost
Utah: lost



ouch!

Weird I swear someone said 8-4 in the Pac-12 is better than 13-0 in the MWC. In reality Utah will be under more scrutiny than the others because they are making the jump from mid-major to BCS conference. The fact that they are not competing probably doesn't surprise most of the country.

[Portland Ute]

The BYU admin has believed for a long time that if it could get all/most of the LDS players that historically defect to elite conferences, they would become a force to be reckoned with nationally.

"All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't stop us," was Glenn Tucket's exact phrase. Obviously that's hyperbole, but the point is clear.

How much BCS membership would affect BYU's LDS recruiting makes for fun speculation.

I also agree with the sentiments that the LDS pool of athletes is starting to catch up with the skill positions. It caught up with the quarterbacks in the mid-90s. Now it's starting to creep in elsewhere, slowly but surely. Who ever heard of a black returned missionary defensive back before Brandon Bradley? How about an RM receiver like Austin Collie?

Steve Young and Boscoe were pretty decent QBs for you in the 80's, weren't they? What about Gifford Nielsen? (Was Gif LDS prior to BYU?)

Seems BYU has never had an issue finding LDS QBs.

[Sizzle]

Steve Young and Boscoe were pretty decent QBs for you in the 80's, weren't they? What about Gifford Nielsen? (Was Gif LDS prior to BYU?)

Seems BYU has never had an issue finding LDS QBs.

I may be off, but I don't believe Bosco was LDS until he came to BYU. Although, Bosco only came to BYU because LDS super QB recruit Sean Salsbury chose USC over the Y.

[Uncle Ted]

Interesting article on how Karma is treating some of the conference expansion jumpers

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...g-teams-100311

Nebraska: lost
Colorado: lost
aTm: lost
Utah: lost



ouch!

You forgot a couple of the other conference jumpers...

TCU: lost
BYU: well, damn near lost

[pelagius]

I may be off, but I don't believe Bosco was LDS until he came to BYU. Although, Bosco only came to BYU because LDS super QB recruit Sean Salsbury chose USC over the Y.

You're correct; Bosco definitely converted while at BYU.

[TripletDaddy]

Missouri Curators docket is released. Vaguely mentions realignment

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal...sec/in/1280828

The board of curators will hold a closed meeting, pursuant to Section 610.021(1), 610.021(3), 610.021(12) and 610.021(13) RSMo, for consideration of certain confidential or privileged communications with university counsel, personnel and contract items all as authorized by law and upon approval by resolution of the board of curators.

The full link to Mizzou's website is here

http://www.umsystem.edu/ums/news/pub..._public_notice

Looks like a really boring day of meetings to me.

[Pheidippides]

I may be off, but I don't believe Bosco was LDS until he came to BYU. Although, Bosco only came to BYU because LDS super QB recruit Sean Salsbury chose USC over the Y.

And guess which one turned out to be the dong-sexting jackass.

[Uncle Ted]

Notes from Neinas conference call...

Interim Big 12 Commissioner Chuck Neinas took part in the Big 12 coaches teleconference today. Some highlights ...

- The Big 12 Conference Board of Directors met yesterday and announced equal distribution of Tier I and Tier II football TV, men's basketball TV and NCAA tournament revenues. The agreement will go into effect after ach member has granted rights for at least six years.

Each institution has its own policies and protocols and will need to go through institutional procedure to get formal approval. Neinas said expects all nine schools to pass the agreement to share revenue. Missouri, he said, has been in favor of equal distribution so he feels this will make the Big 12 a more attractive option for the Tiges.

- A conference expansion committee has been formed. It will meet this week. Neinas is encouraged by the amount of institutions that have shown an interest in the Big 12 Conference (he would name any schools). The process will start this week but there is no timetable for expansion. "I can't say exactly how procedures will work, but we are moving forward in a number of areas and are having success," Neinas said.

- The six year-term for revenue sharing is the minimum. The possibility of making the revenue sharing agreement longer is still on the table.

- On Missouri's fugure ... "I'm not objective on this, but if an objective view, I would think it would be a positive sign for Missouri," Neinas said. He said thinks the Missouri Board of Curators, which will meet on Tuesday, will consider what the Big 12 is doing as a positive.

"We're working in a positive way of improving what is already a good conference," Neinas said.

- Neinas will tour several campuses beginning this week to talk to adminstrators in person.

- His opinion, he said, is that University of Missouri needs to consider what is best for the school and the state. The Big 12 Conference basketball tournament is in the state, the rivalry with Kansas goes back to 1863, etc.

It's one thing to talk about the SEC, Neinas said, but how many people can afford to travel to games in that region?

"Missouri is Midwestern, not Southern."

- Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton is still on the expansion committee. Deaton was a part of the meeting yesterday, then excused himself from the other part at the advice of legal counsel (Neinas declined to divulge which part Deaton was in on).

- Neinas was asked if platforms like the Longhorn Network or Kansas State's high-definition digital network (K-StateHD.TV) could negatively impact the opportunity for expansion. He said he believes it won't be long before just about every institution has some sort of broadcast or online platform.

- On high school highlights possibly being shown on the Longhorn Network ... The NCAA will review that issue in December.

"Most would agree that showing high school highlights does give some sort of advantage," Neinas said.

The wording right now states that stats, standings, and "news" can be aired but there is no clear definition of what is considered news. The NCAA is monitoring things and hopes to have a further explanation by the end of the year.

- On expansion plans, Neinas said there was no majority. Some ADs wanted to stay at nine schools, some wanted 10, some wanted 12. The larger the conference goes, he said, the wider the scope of a search for new schools would have to be. The issues with numbers or institutions for possible addition are "unresolved."

I am guessing the Longhorns won't be showing HS football highlights on the LHN. This was an especially sore subject for Mizzou's football coach.

It is interesting that Deaton left for part of the meeting at the "advice of legal counsel" for part of the meeting. I am guessing it was the expansion talk.

There were only two ADs at the meeting (as I recall) from what Neinas said: UT's and OU's. Texas, in the past, had some issues with adding TCU. I wonder if the option of staying at nine is with Mizzou leaving or not. i.e. Does BYU get added to bring it back up to nine after Mizzou leaves?

[NorthwestUteFan]

Weird I swear someone said 8-4 in the Pac-12 is better than 13-0 in the MWC. In reality Utah will be under more scrutiny than the others because they are making the jump from mid-major to BCS conference. The fact that they are not competing probably doesn't surprise most of the country.

Yup. And they should tank the rest of the year just to guarantee no non-AQ team is ever again elevated to an AQ conference.

[creekster]

Yup. And they should tank the rest of the year just to guarantee no non-AQ team is ever again elevated to an AQ conference.

Elevated? Really?

[NorthwestUteFan]

Elevated? Really?

My mistake, you are right. MWC and/or independence is better than getting a huge chunk of TV money simply because the team is 'in the clique'. Twenty million+ reasons annually are not all that relevant.