The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[CJF]

If BYU has to give up revenue for 5 years to get into the Big 12 and be subsidized by the Church during that time I would still be in favor of it!

That's real big of you.

[Paperback Writer]

If BYU has to give up revenue for 5 years to get into the Big 12 and be subsidized by the Church during that time I would still be in favor of it!

Think Goatnaper already beat me to it. But it would be great if BYU spun it as using tithing funds to get into the Big 12....specifically titthing funds from only Ute fans.

[Flystripper]

Would you pay tithing to facilitate it?

How about if I give 10% to the athletic department?

[TripletDaddy]

Has this thread really devolved into a "Utah sucks becuse they didn't get full revenue share from day 1" thread? Please give me some more Big 12 Groundswell! I really don't care about what Utah is or isn't making.

If BYU has to give up revenue for 5 years to get into the Big 12 and be subsidized by the Church during that time I would still be in favor of it!

No, it hasn't. Sheesh, lots of persecution complex going on here.

[Goatnapper'96]

How about if I give 10% to the athletic department?

In my world that is exactly where mine goes! WHO IS WITH ME! YES!YES!!YES!!!

[byu71]

I really think performance on the field is one of the lesser concerns. Certainly it is performance on the field that eventually feeds the larger concerns but I don't think BYU's losses this year either add to or take away from BYU's leverage.

Could be, I just think the BYU/ESPN deal took a bit of a hit in value. Like any stock though it can fluctuate and winning out would bring the price back up.

[Goatnapper'96]

Could be, I just think the BYU/ESPN deal took a bit of a hit in value. Like any stock though it can fluctuate and winning out would bring the price back up.

The Utah game was a serious triple X like Jenna Jameson with Ron Jeremy choke job. That was the most disapointed I have been in a Mendenhall coached team his entire tenure as the BYU coach. No excuse for that performance with everything that was on the line. I was angry. I did not sleep the night after the game. I avoided talking about it and I try not to dwell on it as it does not bring me joy. I just try to pretend like it did not happen. However, there is no shining that turd and attempting to color over the awful timing. It is my most sincere hope that we can atone to some extent by winning every game until TCU and then competing, even if we lose similar to the Texas game, at a level that leaves the impression that we at least belong on the same field.

[Jarid in Cedar]

This reasoning doesn't make any sense. Utah doesn't get a full share for several years because it doesn't have any debt? Colorado gets a full share by year 2 despite swimming in debt? And despite the cash crunch, the PAC somehow had money to offer to Utah, anyway?

Colorado paid about 7mm to leave the B12, but it isn't even certain how much of that was cash. How much, if any, was paid by the PAC? If I'm understanding your post, you are suggesting that money for the next several years that would have gone to Utah was instead funneled to Colorado immediately to help them exit?

It is apparent that nobody on this board knows the answer to this question. That includes me, btw.

I doubt that our agreement was influenced by CU's financial circumstances at all.

We are buying equity in the Pac-10, equity that the existing schools have built and earned through the decades, and frankly should not give away for free. We bring value to the Pac-12 but it is outweighed by the value that the Pac-12 gives to us.

I, for one, do not see the graduated pay rate as a big deal. Licensing and retail sales will increase, ticket prices will increase(rightly so), generating more revenue than we currently get in the MWC.

As far as USF, Louisville, and Cincy joining the Big East, I doubt that they had a graduated payout simply because they joined as a response to the ACC taking Miami, Va Tech and BC. The Big East lacked the position to be picky simply because they needed those schools to join to stay at 8 members(which is required to remain a conference). TCU was picked to raise their BCS scores high enough to retain their autobid when that is determined again(2013? I think). TCU would probably not agree to the staggered payout that Utah did simply because all of that extra money is going to be eaten alive by the travel costs that they are going to incur in that conference.

Finally, all of those teams joined the Big East simply to play in an autobid league. Joining the Pac-10 has many more pluses than simply access to the BCS system.

[Viking]

How about if I give 10% to the athletic department?

That's precisely what I did in 2000-2005. 100% of my tithing went to BYU athletics.

[Clark Addison]

That's precisely what I did in 2000-2005. 100% of my tithing went to BYU athletics.

So you are saying that 2000-2005 was your fault?

[DapperDan]

The greatest leverage in any negotiation is the willingness to walk away from the deal. I don't know why everyone's getting their panties in a bunch over BYU using this leverage.

Two things.

1. Being willing to walk away isn't that valuable when others are willing to take your place.

2. What exactly are we trying to leverage? Assuming equal revenue sharing and TV rights deals have been signed (or will be soon), I'm not sure how much else there is to haggle over.

[Viking]

So you are saying that 2000-2005 was your fault?

Ha. No, but at least I didn't fund the City Center!

[Scorcho]

look at it from the PAC-12 angle.

if your Larry Scott (and the other PAC School Presidents) and you know how desperate Utah wants to join the PAC-11 (based upon Chris Hill's call to Larry Scott a few weeks after he landed the commissioners job). And your convinced you can get away with offering a gradual year by year step up in shares, why wouldn't you do it?

I'm fairly certain Utah would have joined the PAC-12 for double the MWC money, a six pack and a box of Ring Dings.

[Goatnapper'96]

Two things.

1. Being willing to walk away isn't that valuable when others are willing to take your place.

2. What exactly are we trying to leverage? Assuming equal revenue sharing and TV rights deals have been signed (or will be soon), I'm not sure how much else there is to haggle over.

I think BYU is not leveraging anything. I am of the opinion that an agreement has been reached and BYU is just waiting sure they are going to join a conference that will continue to exist.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Think Goatnaper already beat me to it. But it would be great if BYU spun it as using tithing funds to get into the Big 12....specifically titthing funds from only Ute fans.

Ute fans have already apparently made huge financial concessions to facilitate the entry into the PAC12 by Colorado, a school with which Utah has had essentially the same historical relationship as it has had with, say, Babson College. Surely they would be far more inclined to facilitate the entry into the Big12 by BYU, with whom they've enjoyed a rich and loving relationship for over a century.