The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Mormon Red Death]

Now you're being silly. As already pointed out, Utah is a commuter school. The vast majority of its alumni are still in the SL valley. Stop pretending like having 250 more fans at a game in Pullman will make all the difference.

admittedly most Utah alumni are in Utah. The ones that are not are concentated in california.

but hey you are right we are really scared of having oklahoma and texas schools in the conference.

whatever

[Viking]

Fat bottomed girls.

No that's the rockin' world

[Viking]

maybe you didnt know this but but the new contract is going to have every pac-12 school make 25 million a year. how much more is it going to be with the Texas and oklahoma? I don't know but incrementally more per school worth it?

Uh, these are capitalists. They want more.

[All-American]

I'm surprised you guys are so sure the pac16 would vote against.

They did last year.

And I acknowledge that there is some merit to the idea that considerations are different for 12 than for 16, but still, one year ago, they wouldn't so much as call BYU. They took Utah and Colorado instead. UTAH. COLORADO. That's how much they didn't want BYU.

I'll grant you this: if you're thinking outside of the box, and you can talk Texas and OU into going, you may suddenly be asking yourself why you are so interested in Texas Tech.

Even then, I'll believe BYU to the PAC when I see it. And you can rub it in my face as much as you like.

[Viking]

Utah is the easiest 'Yes' vote BYU has ever had in that conference. They would not only vote yes, but would do everything they could to lobby for BYU behind the scenes. Take that to the bank.

I still don't think it would be enough, however.

Are you serious? Utah is a definite no vote.

[Viking]

They did last year.

And I acknowledge that there is some merit to the idea that considerations are different for 12 than for 16, but still, one year ago, they wouldn't so much as call BYU. They took Utah and Colorado instead. UTAH. COLORADO. That's how much they didn't want BYU.

I'll grant you this: if you're thinking outside of the box, and you can talk Texas and OU into going, you may suddenly be asking yourself why you are so interested in Texas Tech.

Even then, I'll believe BYU to the PAC when I see it. And you can rub it in my face as much as you like.

Oh, you know I will.

[shoganai]

The real questions that need answered are these, IMO:

Why would the Texas politicians let UT get away with ditching Tech?

Even if BYU somehow had the votes, and even if Texas wanted BYU to come with them, the politicians would force TTU in at the end of the day.

[shoganai]

Are you serious? Utah is a definite no vote.

False. Trust my sources on this one, Viking.

Utah is a yes vote all day, every day, every time.

[Babs]

The real questions that need answered are these, IMO:

Why would the Texas politicians let UT get away with ditching Tech?

Even if BYU somehow had the votes, and even if Texas wanted BYU to come with them, the politicians would force TTU in at the end of the day.

The politicians could care less about vo-Tech. There are dozens of other schools like it in the state, and you don't see any of them in BCS conferences.

[Viking]

Are you serious? Utah is a definite no vote.

Last yr there was no point bc Stanford informed it would veto BYU

But that's when a unanimous vote was required. It's totally different now

[All-American]

The real questions that need answered are these, IMO:

Why would the Texas politicians let UT get away with ditching Tech?

Even if BYU somehow had the votes, and even if Texas wanted BYU to come with them, the politicians would force TTU in at the end of the day.

The betterer question is how they'd stop them. What exactly could they do?

[All-American]

Last yr there was no point bc Stanford informed it would veto BYU

But that's when a unanimous vote was required. It's totally different now

So what are your odds at this point? How likely do you think it is that the PAC 16 happens (and, if it does happen, BYU has a seat at the table)?

[Viking]

The real questions that need answered are these, IMO:

Why would the Texas politicians let UT get away with ditching Tech?

Even if BYU somehow had the votes, and even if Texas wanted BYU to come with them, the politicians would force TTU in at the end of the day.

Tech is one of the least influential colleges in Texas. It got into the big 12 bc smu was still way too far behid at the time.

I like my Red Raider brothers and at least they aren't aggy but they hold no sway. No self respecting Texan would ever question how Texas could ditch TTU

[Viking]

So what are your odds at this point? How likely do you think it is that the PAC 16 happens (and, if it does happen, BYU has a seat at the table)?

Oh I think the odds of PaC16 are only slightly better than 50% but that BYUs inclusion w UT/OU is about as close to a sure thing as it gets. Not 100% but I'd say better than 90%

[jay santos]

Wanna wager? I have to disclose my information advantage but I'd put some serious money down that if there's a Pac16 that includes both UT and OU, it also includes BYU

It's like a wet dream to imagine, but I just don't see it happening.