The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Babs]

looking at the pac-12 bylaws:



if the pac-8 members want it they have the votes as I cant imagine the arizona or mountain schools voting for it.

Bear in mind that one of the Arizona schools is run by a Stoops.

[Omaha 680]

Bear in mind that one of the Arizona schools is run by a Stoops.

The crazy one.

[Mormon Red Death]

Bear in mind that one of the Arizona schools is run by a Stoops.

that being said I cant imagine arizona decision maker wanting games in texas and oklahoma versus california and the northwest. They have had 40 years in that conference.

[Viking]

It's not that I don't believe you. I think you are accurately portraying what you have been told. It's just that what you are telling us is unbelievable. It's nothing personal; Tom Holmoe himself could tell me that this was in the works, and I don't think I'd believe it until I saw it myself.

I'm surprised you guys are so sure the pac16 would vote against.

[shoganai]

looking at the pac-12 bylaws:



if the pac-8 members want it they have the votes as I cant imagine the arizona or mountain schools voting for it.

Not that I'm predicting this, but the fact that a unanimous vote is no longer required (as it was in the Pac-10) for expansion, makes it conceivable that BYU could get the votes to be added as team 16 despite Cal/Stanford's blacklisting.

[Omaha 680]

I'm surprised you guys are so sure the pac16 would vote against.

It just goes against everything we've learned the past 15 years. I will say that the past year has taught me that anything is possible...except BYU in the PAC-1X conference.

[Shaka]

Not that I'm predicting this, but the fact that a unanimous vote is no longer required (as it was in the Pac-10) for expansion, makes it conceivable that BYU could get the votes to be added as team 16 despite Cal/Stanford's blacklisting.

I learned that BYU actually had decent support in the PAC 10 last expansion go 'round. Cal And Stanford derailed things.

The dynamic is different now.

[Viking]

that being said I cant imagine arizona decision maker wanting games in texas and oklahoma versus california and the northwest. They have had 40 years in that conference.

Man, you guys have no idea what make the world go 'round

[shoganai]

I learned that BYU actually had decent support in the PAC 10 last expansion go 'round. Cal And Stanford derailed things.

The dynamic is different now.

Arizona, Arizona State, USC, and UCLA were always definite 'Yes' votes for BYU, going back as far as you want to go.

The only definite 'No' votes have always been in the bay area. The northwestern schools have been a toss up depending on the year.

[Omaha 680]

Not that I'm predicting this, but the fact that a unanimous vote is no longer required (as it was in the Pac-10) for expansion, makes it conceivable that BYU could get the votes to be added as team 16 despite Cal/Stanford's blacklisting.

Yeah, but 3/4 means 9 schools. Assuming Cal/Stanford are a no, even if Utah does us a solid and votes us in, you have to get 2/3 of the Arizona schools and Colorado to sign on. And that's assuming the rest of the PAC8 are on board. I just don't see it.

[Donuthole]

Apparently some phantom ranking by fans is more important to us than actually having road games where we have larger number of alumni. Yeah that is solid theory you have there.

Now you're being silly. As already pointed out, Utah is a commuter school. The vast majority of its alumni are still in the SL valley. Stop pretending like having 250 more fans at a game in Pullman will make all the difference.

[San Juan Sun]

Man, you guys have no idea what make the world go 'round

Fat bottomed girls.

[Viking]

Cal, Stan and Utah could vote no and BYU would still have 75% affirmative vote.

BYU is in.

[Mormon Red Death]

Man, you guys have no idea what make the world go 'round

maybe you didnt know this but but the new contract is going to have every pac-12 school make 25 million a year. how much more is it going to be with the Texas and oklahoma? I don't know but incrementally more per school worth it?

[shoganai]

Cal, Stan and Utah could vote no and BYU would still have 75% affirmative vote.

BYU is in.

Utah is the easiest 'Yes' vote BYU has ever had in that conference. They would not only vote yes, but would do everything they could to lobby for BYU behind the scenes. Take that to the bank.

I still don't think it would be enough, however.