The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[Uncle Ted]

Lol. I should have paid closer attention. I believe what I heard was SMU had a bigger attention body, but looking that up it's only like 1500 more students.

For football SMU had a total of 139,025 people attend (23,171 ave per game) compared to 276,704 (39,529 ave per game) for TCU last year. Of course, last year SMU did OK. TCU sucked and lost to SMU. It was time for Patterson to go. Now he is an assistant coach for UT with Sark.

[BlueK]

For football SMU had a total of 139,025 people attend (23,171 ave per game) compared to 276,704 (39,529 ave per game) for TCU last year. Of course, last year SMU did OK. TCU sucked and lost to SMU. It was time for Patterson to go. Now he is an assistant coach for UT with Sark.

Exactly. TCU had a bad year and SMU had a good one but TCU still close to filled their stadium where SMU only did about 55%. SMU folks don't seem to care that much about football.

[Uncle Ted]

Both schools are pretty small for D1. TCU has a bigger stadium and more fans due to more recent success the last several years, although down last year. SMU basketball has had more interest and better fan support recently than football which never fully recovered since the infamous death penalty. They have a nice stadium, I guess, but it's only about 35k seats.

Their stadium is OK. If the weather is good and the tickets are cheap I will sometimes go to a SMU game if some interesting team is in town. Tickets are usually easy to get unless they are playing TCU.

[Pelado]

No one should ever consider SMU for their conference because Craig James went there.

Remind me, how many hookers did Craig James kill while he was a student at SMU (allegedly)?

[myboynoah]

Remind me, how many hookers did Craig James kill while he was a student at SMU (allegedly)?

lol

[jadesroom]

Remind me, how many hookers did Craig James kill while he was a student at SMU (allegedly)?

The actual number is nine, but only five are credited. The other four were killed under the table... the pony express way.

[Uncle Ted]

More rumors that the Pac 12-2 is on the verge of folding... ESPN is low balling:

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And MHver3 is dropping all kinds of rumors:

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Stanford in the Big12?

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Yeah, I think the Big 12 has a much better chance of bagging Oregon and/or UW than Stanford or Cal.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Hard pass on Cal.

MHVer3 changes his story every day.

[USUC]

Hard pass on Cal.

MHVer3 changes his story every day.

I think it's all pretty straightforward right now. The Pac-12 programs are waiting to see what the potential money is if they stay put. In the mean time they are all establishing back channel communications with the B1G and Big-XII. If the money isn't great with the 10 left, they officially start communication with the Big-XII. This isn't rocket science and it's funny that these "insiders" are just making stuff up to get clicks.

[myboynoah]

Hard pass on Cal.

MHVer3 changes his story every day.

Harder pass on Stanford. Godless commies, wrong on COVID, and keep stealing our LDS recruits.

Let's get real. Stanford would never join the B12.

I want to see them hold their noses and admit SDSU.

[Uncle Ted]

Hard pass on Cal.

MHVer3 changes his story every day.

If you throw enough darts one of them is going to stick.

[Uncle Ted]

Harder pass on Stanford. Godless commies, wrong on COVID, and keep stealing our LDS recruits.

Let's get real. Stanford would never join the B12.

I want to see them hold their noses and admit SDSU.

The COVID lockdowns is one of the big reasons UCLA is jumping to the B1G...

Pac-12 thoughts: Tricky timing for UW and Oregon, UCLA’s wormhole, options for No. 12 and more

Five not-so-random thoughts on the Pac-12 …

1. UCLA’s messy situation could get worse

With California Gov. Gavin Newsom and the University of California Regents demanding a review of UCLA’s double-secret move to the Big Ten, we see exactly why the Bruins opted for the stealth approach in the first place.
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Multiple sources believe the regents will explore forcing the Bruins to subsidize Cal’s athletic department, which stands to lose millions annually in Pac-12 distributions because of the loss of the Los Angeles market.
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Either way, a loss of revenue for UCLA’s athletic department could carry significant repercussions.

Why? Because the Bruins are already in debt. Huge debt. Colossal debt.

Before COVID, they were facing a multi-year shortfall of approximately $40 million. According to the L.A. Times, the bill has grown to $100 million.
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https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...o-12-and-more/

PAC-12 money doesn't pay the bills.

As for SDSU everyone keeps talking like they are a lock in keeping the PAC together... and that the Big 12 will get them if they don't:

2. Playing defense with offense

The Hotline made its position clear on expansion earlier this week. If the Pac-12 decides to replace the Los Angeles schools, San Diego State is the obvious choice.

The Aztecs provide a foothold in the league’s most important recruiting region. They are opening a new stadium, they can compete at the Pac-12 level in football and basketball, and they bring a top-30 media market.
But an additional factor should be mentioned: The need for the Pac-12 to use SDSU as a defensive play.

If the conference passes on the Aztecs, they would become available to a potentially aggressive Big 12.

Granted, that’s not a likely outcome. But nothing can be dismissed as conferences make membership decisions based on financial and competitive positioning for the new era in college football.

As of 2024, the Big Ten will own the Los Angeles basin and all its accompanying riches.

The Pac-12 cannot afford to cede San Diego County to the Big 12.

SDSU is like SMU. A very small fish in a huge market that no one cares about. Speaking of SMU:

3. Who’s No. 12?

If the Pac-12 remains intact and expands, it would need to add an even number of teams. In addition to San Diego State, which schools make sense? A quick summary:
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— SMU would allow the Pac-12 to gain a presence in the Dallas market. The school is No. 68 in the US News and World Report rankings and would undoubtedly welcome an invitation, having been passed over by the Big 12 (which already has TCU in Fort Worth).
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Cal won't even want to travel to Texas to play SMU.

No mention of Boise St? LOL

[Moliere]

Who would’ve though that SDSU would be the key that holds this all together? Not me and in fact I still don’t believe it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

If you throw enough darts one of them is going to stick.

This is exactly the case. This guy has predicted every possible outcome at this point. Now he can just wait and whatever happens he can claim I told you so. What a schmuck.

[Applejack]

Nice, Ted! This is the insider info we expect from you: "the metrics show Cal is actually more desirable [than SDSU/FRESNO] to tv partners."