The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[Jeff Lebowski]

OK, here is where Utah ranks in the P12 based on SU's favorite list. Not much change in the order.

1. Stanford (3)
2. UC Berkley (4)
3. Washington (7)
4. UCLA (14)
5. Colorado (62)
6. USC (70)
7. Arizona (99)
8. Utah (151)
9. Arizona State (165)
10. Oregon (244)
11. Oregon State (295)
12. WSU (302)

[Uncle Ted]

Here's the PAC USNWR rankings for national universities:

6 - Stanford
20 - UCLA
22 - Cal
27 - USC
59 - Washington
99 - Colorado (tie)
99 - Oregon (tie)
99 - Utah (tie)
103 - Arizona
117 - Arizona State
162 - Oregon State
179 - Washington State (tie)

And here's the Big 12's current and future membership:

38 - Texas
75 - Baylor
79 - BYU
83 - TCU
122 - Iowa State (tie)
122 - Kansas (tie)
127 - Oklahoma
148 - Cincinnati (tie)
148 - UCF (tie)
162 - Kansas State
179 - Houston (tie)
187 - Oklahoma State
213 - Texas Tech
249 - West Virginia

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...tDirection=asc

Utah is firmly in the middle of the PAC rankings but would be ranked above 75% of the ongoing Big 12 schools.

Yeah, we should pay the ACC to take WVU... Tech is bad enough.

[Pelado]

That's correct. Pelado linked the college rankings. That's only a slice of the very important things universities do. For your convenience, a more robust ranking:

2022 Best Universities in the World - US News

Here's the stated criteria for the national rankings I listed earlier:

Schools in the National Universities category, such as the University of Chicago and Carnegie Mellon University, offer a full range of undergraduate majors, plus master's and doctoral programs. These colleges also are committed to producing groundbreaking research.

The global rankings use a much different criteria:

These institutions from the U.S. and more than 90 other countries have been ranked based on 13 indicators that measure their academic research performance and their global and regional reputations.

It seems that the global rankings lean heavily to medical schools. In fact, Baylor College of Medicine - at 135 and separate from Baylor University - is ranked higher than the entire University of Utah (151).

PAC

3 - Stanford
4 - Cal
7 - Washington
14 - UCLA
62 - Colorado (tie)
70 - USC
99 - Arizona (tie)
151 - Utah
165 - Arizona State
244 - Oregon (tie)
295 - Oregon State (tie)
302 - Washington State

Big 12

43 - Texas
191 - Cincinnati
237 - Iowa State (tie)
280 - Kansas (tie)
376 - Baylor
417 - UCF (tie)
425 - Oklahoma
439 - Houston (tie)
456 - Kansas State
464 - Texas Tech
568 - West Virginia
616 - Oklahoma State
760 - BYU (tie)
1,335 - TCU (tie)

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here's the stated criteria for the national rankings I listed earlier:



The global rankings use a much different criteria:



It seems that the global rankings lean heavily to medical schools. In fact, Baylor College of Medicine - at 135 and separate from Baylor University - is ranked higher than the entire University of Utah (151).

PAC

3 - Stanford
4 - Cal
7 - Washington
14 - UCLA
62 - Colorado (tie)
70 - USC
99 - Arizona (tie)
151 - Utah
165 - Arizona State
244 - Oregon (tie)
295 - Oregon State (tie)
302 - Washington State

Big 12

43 - Texas
191 - Cincinnati
237 - Iowa State (tie)
280 - Kansas (tie)
376 - Baylor
417 - UCF (tie)
425 - Oklahoma
439 - Houston (tie)
456 - Kansas State
464 - Texas Tech
568 - West Virginia
616 - Oklahoma State
760 - BYU (tie)
1,335 - TCU (tie)

University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center--Dallas is at #124. Lol, they should field a football team.

[Bo Diddley]

Methodology for US News & World Report rankings can be found here:

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...es/methodology

It's interesting to me how the number of respondents dropped by over 50% last year. It's also interesting how the rankings are based on self-reporting.

Abuse of these methods abounds, and people doubt their veracity:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...ews-challenges

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/u...sity-rank.html

[Jeff Lebowski]

Methodology for US News & World Report rankings can be found here:

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...es/methodology

It's interesting to me how the number of respondents dropped by over 50% last year. It's also interesting how the rankings are based on self-reporting.

Abuse of these methods abounds, and people doubt their veracity:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...ews-challenges

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/17/u...sity-rank.html

A Columbia professor recently exposed how his university was gaming the system. So Columbia got dropped.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael...h=9299d0e4a768

[Bo Diddley]

A Columbia professor recently exposed how his university was gaming the system. So Columbia got dropped.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael...h=9299d0e4a768

So tip of the iceberg or outlier? I suspect it's somewhere in between.

[SeattleUte]

Baylor college of medicine is not affiliated with Baylor university . Balor college of medicine disaffiliated a long time ago because Baylor University is a Christian school.

[Paperback Writer]

University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center--Dallas is at #124. Lol, they should field a football team.

Maybe the PAC-12(-2) is looking at this all wrong. Just have Caltech (#9) and UC-San Francisco (#11) field football teams and they are back to 12 teams.

[Bo Diddley]

Baylor college of medicine is not affiliated with Baylor university . Balor college of medicine disaffiliated a long time ago because Baylor University is a Christian school.

https://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/...%20institution.

[YOhio]

Baylor college of medicine is not affiliated with Baylor university . Balor college of medicine disaffiliated a long time ago because Baylor University is a Christian school.

So dumb. Jesus is pretty much the best doctor in the history of the world. Crazy they would distance themselves from that.

[originalsocal]

So dumb. Jesus is pretty much the best doctor in the history of the world. Crazy they would distance themselves from that.

Jesus's healing lacks broad appeal.

[SeattleUte]

https://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/...%20institution.

That's a lie.

"In 1969, by mutual agreement, the College separated from Baylor University to become an independent institution. This encouraged broader, nonsectarian support and provided access to federal research funding. The institution's name changed to Baylor College of Medicine."

History (bcm.edu)

[Pelado]

Baylor college of medicine is not affiliated with Baylor university. Balor college of medicine disaffiliated a long time ago because Baylor University is a Christian school.

Thanks for clarifying that point (which was explicitly included in my original post).

Baylor College of Medicine - at 135 and separate from Baylor University - is ranked higher than the entire University of Utah (151).

[Bo Diddley]

That's a lie.

"In 1969, by mutual agreement, the College separated from Baylor University to become an independent institution. This encouraged broader, nonsectarian support and provided access to federal research funding. The institution's name changed to Baylor College of Medicine."

History (bcm.edu)

Which part specifically is the lie? I don't see the contradiction.