Super Bowl Thread

[Shaka]

Listening to Dan Patrick on the way to work.

Mike Pereira on Twitter:

Mike Pereira @MikePereira
Agree with Sims. There is a quick grab and a pushoff. Not one that is going to be called. Nothing obvious in real time.
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13h Mike Pereira @MikePereira
Tough play that is real close both ways. Good job not calling anything.

[Indy Coug]

It wasn't catchable. End of story.

[cowboy]

But this was the worst called Super Bowl since that infamous Seattle v. Pittsburgh Super Bowl. There were missed calls going both ways, but defensive holding is defensive holding. And then they missed an egregious hold on the kickoff return, Ed Reed going offsides on the 2 point conversion, etc., etc. The call that I saw that went against the Ravens was the non-call on the hit against Joe Flacco. There was a pattern established of non-calls the entire game and chances are they mostly balanced out -- but Jerome Boger was a questionable pick in the first place and the crew botched it. Also, it's hard to totally complain about the outcome when the Niners were gifted that power outage. There's no way they get back in that game without a 40 minute breather to get their heads together.

Their first pick was Ed Hochuli, but he was too busy opening his Christmas presents.

[smokymountainrain]

Mike Pereira on Twitter:

Mike Pereira @MikePereira
Agree with Sims. There is a quick grab and a pushoff. Not one that is going to be called. Nothing obvious in real time.
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13h Mike Pereira @MikePereira
Tough play that is real close both ways. Good job not calling anything.

Right. Opinions differ. You seem to act like it's so black and white. I haven't weighed in either way because I agree with Pereira that it's tough both ways. No clear or obvious answer.

[jay santos]

Five feet. And no, I'd say that having stood under that play gives me insight you don't have. I know what's likely to happen when any receiver, even a tall NFL one with hops, goes up for a ball like that. He may catch it but he's going to land out of bounds. Most likely he's not even going to get a hand on it.

Be real. How many times have you been the official in a game standing directly under a play where the QB threw the ball up from about the 10 yard line to the corner of the end zone, and the ball hit five feet out of bounds, and an NFL caliber receiver went up to catch the ball, and you were in a position to determine it was uncatchable?

Honestly, I think I could catch a ball a lob ball that landed five feet out of bounds. You say it's at 10 feet as it goes out of bounds and five feet out at landing. Where is it at three feet out of bounds?

[UtahDan]

Chris Carter make the point that with the defender lined up inside to take away the slant Crabtree needed to take a hard step to the left then break hard for the corner. Instead, Crabtree headed straight into the defender at which point there became engaged with each other including the defender having a hand full of jersey. But Carter said than when you run straight into a guy like than and essentially become tangled up with him you never get a holding call under those circumstances in the NFL. His point was that if you make a move to get to the outside, since defender is inside he has to extend his arm if he wants to hold and them you get that call.

Just another opinion to add to the mix.

[Shaka]

Right. Opinions differ. You seem to act like it's so black and white. I haven't weighed in either way because I agree with Pereira that it's tough both ways. No clear or obvious answer.

Pereira isn't giving you the thought process that goes with what he wrote. He gave a tweet.

How do I know what the NFL official is thinking? Because I get to sit sift through the same training materials they use most of which is produced by the NFL. I know what the thought process is.

Next time I'm on here I think I'll disagree with FM on SQL related issues and ER on how to treat a compound fracture.

[FN Phat]

[Shaka]

Be real. How many times have you been the official in a game standing directly under a play where the QB threw the ball up from about the 10 yard line to the corner of the end zone, and the ball hit five feet out of bounds, and an NFL caliber receiver went up to catch the ball, and you were in a position to determine it was uncatchable?

Honestly, I think I could catch a ball a lob ball that landed five feet out of bounds. You say it's at 10 feet as it goes out of bounds and five feet out at landing. Where is it at three feet out of bounds?

Your not taking the trajectory of the ball into account. Fades are arc higher than your average short ball. So yes, a ball that lands five feet out of bounds is going to be pretty high when it crosses the sideline.

[jay santos]

Your not taking the trajectory of the ball into account. Fades are arc higher than your average short ball. So yes, a ball that lands five feet out of bounds is going to be pretty high when it crosses the sideline.

I'm going to do an experiment. You said the ball is 10 ft high as it crosses out of bounds. And five feet out when it hits. Where is it at 8 ft? 6 ft? 4 ft high?

[Surfah]

It wasn't catchable. End of story.

It wasn't caught. End of story.

It wasn't called. End of story.

[PaloAltoCougar]

I'm still scratching my head over the Niners' last series. And who better to question the playcalling than a sexagenarian business lawyer who never strapped on pads? Anyway, with first and goal, rather than rely on one of the best offensive lines in the league and Frank Gore (who after suffering through SF's ignominious years had both the talent and experience to deserve the ball), they go first to LaMichael James, and then three straight passes. The Ravens smartly played the run, forcing a still unseasoned Kaepernick to throw a touch pass which isn't his forte.

Would that they had simply pounded the ball. I have to think they could have gained five yards in the final three plays. Alas.

[smokymountainrain]

It wasn't caught. End of story.

It wasn't called. End of story.

Amen. Not just that, but there were bad calls both ways. SF didn't lose because of the officiating.

[Shaka]

I'm going to do an experiment. You said the ball is 10 ft high as it crosses out of bounds. And five feet out when it hits. Where is it at 8 ft? 6 ft? 4 ft high?

It's all about trajectory. Fire a cannon at eighty degree angle and fire it at a 45 degree angle. The heights are going to be different and any given distance. Same with this sort of throw.

[Surfah]

Amen. Not just that, but there were bad calls both ways. SF didn't lose because of the officiating.

Though I want Jim Harbaugh to keep thinking so.