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  • Commando
    Explosivo
    • Feb 2009
    • 20748

    #1651
    Must-read!

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    What We Learned, Two Days From Selection Sunday

    1. Kemba Walker was stealing the show. He had the prime location of New York and the historic stage of Madison Square Garden; he had the programming power of ESPN and the cachet of an 11-bid conference. He had all of those things in his favor, and delivered his fourth, heroic performance in four nights at the Big East tournament, scoring 33 points to lead UConn to an overtime upset of Syracuse and a spot in Saturday’s championship game. Afterwards, he posed for pictures with former President Bill Clinton, who’d been wowed in the stands, and it seemed for a moment that the college basketball universe, just as it had after the Maui Invitational in November, was revolving around Walker. He was making us forget about a certain other scorer we’d become obsessed with in the months in between:

    The Jimmer.

    BYU’s Jimmer Fredette, the nation’s leading per-game scorer, was being relegated to a Las Vegas sideshow. He was stuck with a 9 p.m. tipoff on a semi-obscure cable network (CBS College Sports); he was stuck playing a New Mexico team that had already beaten the Cougars twice. And he was without a true inside presence to do battle against the Lobos, because his suspended center, Brandon Davies, was stuck on the bench in a cardigan sweater. Merely advancing to the Mountain West tournament final was going to be an issue, much less recapturing the straying hearts of the college basketball nation.

    But The Jimmer began hitting jump shots — threes, leaners, leaning threes, sideways leaners around defenders — and he had 10 points in three minutes, then 17 points in 12 minutes. Word spread through Twitter, through press rows and press rooms at other tournaments, that you must find this on TV, lest you miss a vintage performance. By halftime, without the help of a single free throw, Fredette had broken the MWC tourney single-game scoring record with 33 points. What Kemba needed 45 minutes to do, Jimmer had accomplished in 20.

    In the next half, all he did was break Danny Ainge’s all-time BYU scoring record; finish with a career-high 52 points (on just one free-throw!), equaling Providence’s Marshon Brooks for the highest single-game point total this season; and carry the Cougars to an 87-76 victory and yet another meeting with San Diego State.

    Less than two hours after the world was Kemba’s, it was Jimmer’s again.

    He clearly has no desire to back into the Wooden and Naismith Awards, and — what matters even more — he may just salvage a No. 1 seed for BYU. The Cougars were almost removed from the No. 1 discussion after losing Davies on March 1 and being blown out by New Mexico on March 2. But if they beat San Diego State a third time to own both Mountain West titles and finish 31-3, is there any logical way the selection committee could deny BYU a No. 1?* Especially with Pitt going one-and-done in the Big East, and Notre Dame failing to reach the championship round? You can’t punish BYU for losing Davies to an Honor Code violation, if all it did without him was win its conference tournament.

    (* If the committee is reading: In the event that you insist on making BYU a No. 2, I’ll promise to keep my complaints to a minimum if the No. 3 in that region is UConn. You know full well that a Jimmer-Kemba Sweet 16 game would drive TV ratings through the roof.)
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    • scottie
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 5247

      #1652
      The ESPN SportsNation poll question right now:

      Who would you rather have taking a potential game-winning shot for your team in March?

      - Jimmer Fredette
      - Kemba Walker


      Kemba is currently leading 52% to 48% after 120K votes.

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      • Surfah
        Where's Wallace?
        • Nov 2008
        • 33726

        #1653
        Originally posted by scottie View Post
        The ESPN SportsNation poll question right now:





        Kemba is currently leading 52% to 48% after 120K votes.
        That poll is pretty funny. East coast bias.
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        • Jarid in Cedar
          CS Institutional Memory
          • Jun 2009
          • 13234

          #1654
          Originally posted by Surfah View Post
          That poll is pretty funny. East coast bias.
          No shit. Those ESPN polls are always pretty scientific
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          • Surfah
            Where's Wallace?
            • Nov 2008
            • 33726

            #1655
            Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
            No shit. Those ESPN polls are always pretty scientific
            That poll is split right down the middle of the country. I am not sure I have ever seen one like that.

            The other funny poll was the who is the better NBA prospect, Kemba or Jimmer? Utah is the lone state for Jimmer.
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            • New Mexican Disaster
              Suomalainen
              • Nov 2008
              • 4549

              #1656
              Originally posted by Surfah View Post
              That poll is split right down the middle of the country. I am not sure I have ever seen one like that.

              The other funny poll was the who is the better NBA prospect, Kemba or Jimmer? Utah is the lone state for Jimmer.
              There are a hell of a lot of people who are not good talent scouts.

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              • Donuthole
                Official Outgayer
                • Nov 2008
                • 25236

                #1657
                Originally posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
                There are a hell of a lot of people who are not good talent scouts.
                Admittedly, i have only seen Kemba a handful of times this year, so my sample is skewed, but I see his NBA ceiling as Ben Gordon. I think Jimmer is at least that good, and has the potential to be a scorer as proficient as Monta Ellis or Stephen Curry.
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                • HuskyFreeNorthwest
                  Time to camp
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 26082

                  #1658
                  Anyone down for a post-championship celebration dinner or craps run? I feel a hot streak coming.
                  Get confident, stupid
                  -landpoke

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                  • oxcoug
                    Dolphins Rape Hipsters
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 5309

                    #1659
                    Jimmer about to hit 50 - from the bar big screen.

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                    • hostile
                      lollygagger
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 5736

                      #1660
                      Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                      Anyone down for a post-championship celebration dinner or craps run? I feel a hot streak coming.
                      Does the hot streak refer to the dinner or the craps table
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                      • HuskyFreeNorthwest
                        Time to camp
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 26082

                        #1661
                        Originally posted by hostile View Post
                        Does the hot streak refer to the dinner or the craps table
                        It is a bi statement, goes both ways.
                        Get confident, stupid
                        -landpoke

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                        • New Mexican Disaster
                          Suomalainen
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 4549

                          #1662
                          Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                          Admittedly, i have only seen Kemba a handful of times this year, so my sample is skewed, but I see his NBA ceiling as Ben Gordon. I think Jimmer is at least that good, and has the potential to be a scorer as proficient as Monta Ellis or Stephen Curry.
                          I have a heard time with Walker as Ben Gordon. Gordon could really shoot it (over 40% on threes, while Walker is only 34%) and is a thicker stronger player. Walker is dynamic with the ball, but he is tiny and inconsistent shooting it. He will have bigger problems with size than Jimmer both because he is shorter and because he is not as strong as Jimmer.

                          He is a better jumper and more nimble, though. I see him as more of a Randolph Childress, type, with more attack. I just see the NBA chock full of good college players who are undersized, or a skill mismatch, fir their position.

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                          • woot
                            Resident Science Cop
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 5531

                            #1663
                            I normally don't care about the NBA stuff, but Jimmer vs. Kemba does make an interesting case. Jimmer's got at least 20 pounds on Kemba, but both are really good at creating shots. Kemba is incredibly quick and can probably put on those 20 pounds, whereas Jimmer is likely to get better on D when he doesn't have to be the whole offense and/or is getting fewer minutes, but will never be as quick as Kemba. Jimmer won't be able to get away with his out-of-control shenanigans, put that'll be good, since he doesn't play his best when he's pressing.

                            I was very impressed with his shot selection last night. Very few of his 37 shots were out of control or crazy difficult. He really does play best when he's under control.

                            I think Jimmer could actually end up being an average defender in the NBA. He just so rarely tries in college that it's hard to tell. It's sort of embarrassing sometimes, but when he's playing 40 minutes a night and scoring that many points it's easy to give him a pass.

                            I'm hoping Chuck and Jackson come to play tonight; I don't see Jimmer getting 40 tonight. Then again, if I'm Steve Fisher, I go back to game 1 strategy and dare Jimmer to win it by himself less than 24 hours after that emotional performance.

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                            • Color Me Badd Fan
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 12519

                              #1664
                              My favorite tweet from last night: "What Jimmer did to New Mexico last night should be against the BYU Honor Code."
                              Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                              • Color Me Badd Fan
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 12519

                                #1665
                                I'm watching the last 8.5 minutes of the first half from last night- Jimmer scored 19 points in that space of time.
                                Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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