The Official Jimmerphilia Thread

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

What doesn't he get? You do realize that Dame Lillard is one of the worst defenders in the NBA and seems to be doing just fine in Portland.

BYU fans often seem to mistake bad with Jimmer bad when it comes to defense. When the discussion of his defense comes up, it's always like "oh yeah, someone else is a bad defender as well." But there's a failure to grasp exactly how bad when it comes to Jimmer. His on/off team defense was terrible through years 1 and 2, as were his opponent PER numbers. Last year ESPN did this great study on defenders combining a whole bunch of defensive metrics (on/off numbers, synergy, etc.) and he ranked 2nd worst out of all wing defenders (1-3 spots, not just point guard) in the entire league (he did beat out Mike Miller). This year he ranks dead last among point guards in defensive RPM (on/off numbers adjusted to isolate the player). I forget whether that was 64 out of 64, or 68 out of 68, but yeah, the very last spot.

So really, when it comes to bad defenders the last handful of years, there are few, if any, players in his class. On the flip side, he can clearly score. This isn't an Ammo situation, who never showed he could score at an NBA level. Jimmer can absolutely score at an acceptable level. He just needs to move the needle on his defense from Jimmer bad to bad. And I actually think Chicago could be a good place for him. Middling size/length and poor lateral footspeed is not going to take you very far as a one-on-one defender in the NBA, but Chicago is so good on D because of its team principles. They don't ask guys to guard on an island, they ask guys to guard within a team concept. He can learn that stuff because he's bright enough. I'm optimistic that he'll find a good niche in Chicago.

Junkie messed with Grace's man crush, Grace doesn't take lightly to people not respecting the DL.

[cougjunkie]

Junkie messed with Grace's man crush, Grace doesn't take lightly to people not respecting the DL.

Now we know why he didnt throw out Lillard defensive numbers.

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[Non Sequitur]

What was his assist to turnover ratio last night?

[MarkGrace]

What was his assist to turnover ratio last night?

Ask smr, he might be tracking that. lol.

[MarkGrace]

Junkie messed with Grace's man crush, Grace doesn't take lightly to people not respecting the DL.

G-Time is my man-crush!

Now we know why he didnt throw out Lillard defensive numbers.

Nah, I just didn't have access. Can't get on sports sites at work anymore (thankfully CS isn't recognized as a sports site! ) to check. I'm just familiar with where Jimmer stands because I've had this conversation so many times with people seemingly refusing to accept reality. Here's Dame:

On/off defense: +.2 better with him off the floor
Opponent PER: 17.2
Defensive RPM: -2.03 (59 out of 87 point guards)

Here's Jimmer:

On/off defense: +4.8 better with him off the floor
Opponent PER: 19.5 (numbers better at the 2, but few minutes there)
Defensive RPM: -5.37 (87 out of 87 point guards)
And of course this from last year: "Finally, because I know you're wondering: Ranking 172nd, and last, is Miami's Mike Miller, just behind Sacramento's Jimmer Fredette and the Lakers' Chris Duhon."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8894024/nba-ranking-league-top-10-perimeter-defenders

Like I said, you can be a bad defender, and still be a good ways away from Jimmer bad. That -5.37 he's posting in defensive RPM isn't just the worst at the PG spot and a good margin worse than even the 86th spot, it's the worst in the entire league. Only one other player in the league has a mark worse than -5.0 (Byron Mullens). And it's not just a numbers game we're talking about here -- he's on his third coach now that has refused to make him a rotation guy for the same reason. So I wasn't trying to make a comparison strictly between him and Dame, just pointing out that he's much worse than even bad, since the common Jimmer defense is to point out that some other player is also a bad defender. There seems to be a failure to appreciate just how flammable he's been.

But I do hope he can up his game from Jimmer bad to just regular bad. If he does that he should find a rotation spot because his offense definitely merits time on the floor (scoring rate over 20 the last two years and a TS% of 58% this year). And I am optimistic that Thibs can help. Kyle Korver is an example of a guy who despite poor lateral footspeed is an adequate team defender and therefore not nearly the net negative on the defensive end that some people think he is when they see him get roasted in isolation. Team defense doesn't place the same demand on physical attributes and hopefully Jimmer can become adequate on that end to start earning regular minutes. Obviously I'd love to see him get there.

[scottie]

Jimmer Fans Who Watch Every Game Facebook group, currently 44 members (and growing -- 10 minutes ago it was at 43).

[TripletDaddy]

Jimmer Fans Who Watch Every Game Facebook group, currently 44 members (and growing -- 10 minutes ago it was at 43).

are likes the same thing as members of the group?

[cougjunkie]

Jimmer Fans Who Watch Every Game Facebook group, currently 44 members (and growing -- 10 minutes ago it was at 43).

I have not missed a single game of Jimmers career. I have watched every single minute he has played in the NBA.

[TripletDaddy]

I have not missed a single game of Jimmers career. I have watched every single minute he has played in the NBA.

You've watched 50-60 minutes of basketball in the past few years??

[scottie]

are likes the same thing as members of the group?

Yep.

[Art Vandelay]

In retrospect one of St. Jimmer's greatest accomplishments may have been scoring on Kawai, with relative ease. Leonard is a fantastic defender, much better than the more lauded Paul George, IMO.

I was pondering tonight what would have happened if Kawai and Jimmer's draft position would have been switched. I think KL would have been a mess for Sacramento, he is quiet, unselfish, and excels at playing defense (basically, all the things no one on the Kings does). He would have likely learned, as does everyone, I better get my shot when I can, because Tyreke and Boogie sure aren't going to give my any easy assists. I think Pop would have found a way to utilize Jimmer's shooting. In fact, San Antonio would be the best landing spot for him next year.


* Weird. I don't know how this ended up in the other thread

[Green Monstah]

I now want Jimmer to succeed for one reason only--to stick it to Colin Cowherd and Rick Reilly.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I now want Jimmer to succeed for one reason only--to stick it to Colin Cowherd and Rick Reilly.

Did something happen?

[Green Monstah]

Did something happen?

In the last two weeks, Cowherd has taken shots at Jimmer twice in his "two for the road" segment. One regarding "snap judgments" like the one he made about John Wall. He said he made the same snap judgment about Jimmer that proved to be true. About a week later, he went on a rant about how he's sick of being forced by the media to love a particular player, and mentioned Jimmer twice. Also, I'm still pissed that Reilly asked Jimmer for his $5k back after the Kings cut him.

[smokymountainrain]

17 pts, 3 assists, on 6-9 FGs, 3-4 3pt in 30 minutes against the defending Eastern Conference Champion Miami Heat on Saturday.