Lakers v. Celtics - 2010 NBA Finals

[ewth8tr]

Why does Kobe get more calls? Maybe it is because he is difficult to guard? Why does LeBron get more calls? Maybe because he is difficult to guard?

Or, it could be because this is the NBA and the refs gives superstars special treatment. This is not a slam against Kobe and it has been going on forever and it certainly is not isolated to just him, but don't act like the refs call everything strait up, regardless of who the player is.

[Flystripper]

Or, it could be because this is the NBA and the refs gives superstars special treatment. This is not a slam against Kobe and it has been going on forever and it certainly is not isolated to just him, but don't act like the refs call everything strait up, regardless of who the player is.

I am not convinced that superstar treatment is as rampant as you suggest. I think people point to superstars and look at the number of free throws that they shoot and say that equals start treatment. People forget just how difficult it is to guard the best players in the game without fouling.

I think bad calls go both ways but the majority of calls that anyone gets in the NBA are earned.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I am not convinced that superstar treatment is as rampant as you suggest. I think people point to superstars and look at the number of free throws that they shoot and say that equals start treatment. People forget just how difficult it is to guard the best players in the game without fouling.

I think bad calls go both ways but the majority of calls that anyone gets in the NBA are earned.

Have you not been watching Paul Pierce in this series? Not since Reggie Miller has there been a guy as sneaky as Paul Pierce in drawing fouls. I'm not sure how much of it is star treatment, but the idiot refs fall for it. On a scale of 1 to 10 of sneakiness with Reggie Miller being a 10 and Kendrick Perkins being a 1 (the least sneaky player in the NBA), Paul Pierce is a solid 9.5 and Kobe Bryant is an 8. Dwyane Wade achieved an 11 without even tyring during the 2006 finals, exemplified by the infamous throwing-out-the-elbow-to-make-contact-with-Dirk Nowitzki-standing-two-feet-away-foul (with no flopping!) called on Dirk Nowitzki.

The single worst call in NBA Finals history.

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[Surfah]

Pivotal game tonight. The winner of game 3 when a series is split 1-1 has gone on to win the finals to the record of 28-4. I am nervous. Pau and Bynum have put in two good games a piece. One of them if not both is bound to have a bad game. I think that tonight may be one of those special Kobe nights where Mamba goes off.

As I was thinking about Sunday's game, the botched replay call was bad, but I don't think it was the turning point in the game like I initially stated. It was Doc Rivers' timeout. How in the world was that legal? Shouldn't that have been a tech? You see this happen in football. But that's different because it comes during a dead ball in between plays, not during the course of live play. If the refs don't give Doc Rivers the timeout there, the Celtics turn that ball over in their backcourt and the Lakers have possession. Or better yet, had the refs whistled Doc for a tech, the Lakers get a freebie and possession. That could have been a 2 or 3 point game at that point with over a minute left.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Pivotal game tonight. The winner of game 3 when a series is split 1-1 has gone on to win the finals to the record of 28-4. I am nervous. Pau and Bynum have put in two good games a piece. One of them if not both is bound to have a bad game. I think that tonight may be one of those special Kobe nights where Mamba goes off.

As I was thinking about Sunday's game, the botched replay call was bad, but I don't think it was the turning point in the game like I initially stated. It was Doc Rivers' timeout. How in the world was that legal? Shouldn't that have been a tech? You see this happen in football. But that's different because it comes during a dead ball in between plays, not during the course of live play. If the refs don't give Doc Rivers the timeout there, the Celtics turn that ball over in their backcourt and the Lakers have possession. Or better yet, had the refs whistled Doc for a tech, the Lakers get a freebie and possession. That could have been a 2 or 3 point game at that point with over a minute left.

Quit bitching about the refs, the Lakers shot 15 more free throws than the Celtics, and the margin was even bigger before the Lakers started fouling at the end of the game. There were poor calls on both sides (a lot were makeup calls). You conveniently forget about the utterly clean blocks on both Artest (Pierce) and Bynum (Davis) that were instead called as fouls.

[FN Phat]

Pivotal game tonight. The winner of game 3 when a series is split 1-1 has gone on to win the finals to the record of 28-4. I am nervous. Pau and Bynum have put in two good games a piece. One of them if not both is bound to have a bad game. I think that tonight may be one of those special Kobe nights where Mamba goes off.

As I was thinking about Sunday's game, the botched replay call was bad, but I don't think it was the turning point in the game like I initially stated. It was Doc Rivers' timeout. How in the world was that legal? Shouldn't that have been a tech? You see this happen in football. But that's different because it comes during a dead ball in between plays, not during the course of live play. If the refs don't give Doc Rivers the timeout there, the Celtics turn that ball over in their backcourt and the Lakers have possession. Or better yet, had the refs whistled Doc for a tech, the Lakers get a freebie and possession. That could have been a 2 or 3 point game at that point with over a minute left.

It seemed to me that they awarded Doc the timeout before he fully ran out on the court. I would agree that this was the turning point. Not because a bad call but due to great coaching.

The officiating has been very poor, at best, this finals. I hope the refs swallow the whistles and let the boys play PLAYOFF basketball.

[dabrockster]

Pivotal game tonight. The winner of game 3 when a series is split 1-1 has gone on to win the finals to the record of 28-4. I am nervous. Pau and Bynum have put in two good games a piece. One of them if not both is bound to have a bad game. I think that tonight may be one of those special Kobe nights where Mamba goes off.

As I was thinking about Sunday's game, the botched replay call was bad, but I don't think it was the turning point in the game like I initially stated. It was Doc Rivers' timeout. How in the world was that legal? Shouldn't that have been a tech? You see this happen in football. But that's different because it comes during a dead ball in between plays, not during the course of live play. If the refs don't give Doc Rivers the timeout there, the Celtics turn that ball over in their backcourt and the Lakers have possession. Or better yet, had the refs whistled Doc for a tech, the Lakers get a freebie and possession. That could have been a 2 or 3 point game at that point with over a minute left.

I don't see the issue with Doc's attempt to call a TO. Nor was he really out on the court. He was maybe 3 feet onto the court at the 3-point line and when the whistle was blown that was when he allowed his momentum to carry himself further onto the court.. Hell, some of these coaches pace back and forth where Doc was when he got the official TO..

Is there a rule that says you cannot call a TO during the game? I know most coaches use it after a basket. I am curious to know if there is any rule that prohibits it..

I do agree, I think that was the turning point.. You could sense it..

Link to the play in question..
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGu7kGXAa-E"]YouTube- Doc Rivers' crazy timeout call! (HD)[/nomedia]

[Jacob]

Pivotal game tonight. The winner of game 3 when a series is split 1-1 has gone on to win the finals to the record of 28-4. I am nervous. Pau and Bynum have put in two good games a piece. One of them if not both is bound to have a bad game. I think that tonight may be one of those special Kobe nights where Mamba goes off.

As I was thinking about Sunday's game, the botched replay call was bad, but I don't think it was the turning point in the game like I initially stated. It was Doc Rivers' timeout. How in the world was that legal? Shouldn't that have been a tech? You see this happen in football. But that's different because it comes during a dead ball in between plays, not during the course of live play. If the refs don't give Doc Rivers the timeout there, the Celtics turn that ball over in their backcourt and the Lakers have possession. Or better yet, had the refs whistled Doc for a tech, the Lakers get a freebie and possession. That could have been a 2 or 3 point game at that point with over a minute left.

Botched replay? Are you talking about the one where KG probably touched the ball last before it went out of bounds? Where Gasol's hand was behind KG's while reaching for the ball? That call almost always goes to the guy in front because the guy in back is pushing forward, causing the ball to go out of bounds.

[MarkGrace]

Rondo was gone from under to overrated in the same postseason.

[FN Phat]

Rondo was gone from under to overrated in the same postseason.

I am not sure how Rondo can be over rated when he is routinely putting up triple doubles in the post season. I guess Magic, Isaiah, and JKidd were over rated as well.

[Surfah]

Botched replay? Are you talking about the one where KG probably touched the ball last before it went out of bounds? Where Gasol's hand was behind KG's while reaching for the ball? That call almost always goes to the guy in front because the guy in back is pushing forward, causing the ball to go out of bounds.

They didn't call a foul. They said that the ball went off of Gasol. At this point it doesn't matter how the ball ended up out of bounds (the guy in back pushing forward as you say), just that KG touched it last. Which he did. Besides, the ball was in contact with KG's hand, so no foul should have been called anyway as the hand is part of the ball.

[Surfah]

I am not sure how Rondo can be over rated when he is routinely putting up triple doubles in the post season. I guess Magic, Isaiah, and JKidd were over rated as well.

That was just his second triple double this post season.

[Jacob]

They didn't call a foul. They said that the ball went off of Gasol. At this point it doesn't matter how the ball ended up out of bounds (the guy in back pushing forward as you say), just that KG touched it last. Which he did. Besides, the ball was in contact with KG's hand, so no foul should have been called anyway as the hand is part of the ball.

I wasn't calling for a foul. I explained it about as clearly as I could. Do you ever play ball? If you are trying to pull in a rebound, and someone behind you pushes your hand forward as your hand is on the ball, you are going to call the ball out on the guy who pushed your hand. Or if not, you should. Because that's how a ref will call it and how just about everybody else will.
We can agree to disagree on the point. I don't think the replay was as clear as the case I'm making. But it also wasn't an obvious call they should have changed.

[Jacob]

I am not sure how Rondo can be over rated when he is routinely putting up triple doubles in the post season. I guess Magic, Isaiah, and JKidd were over rated as well.

LOL. You're right. Nobody is overrating him by comparing him to the best players ever at his position.

[FN Phat]

They didn't call a foul. They said that the ball went off of Gasol. At this point it doesn't matter how the ball ended up out of bounds (the guy in back pushing forward as you say), just that KG touched it last. Which he did. Besides, the ball was in contact with KG's hand, so no foul should have been called anyway as the hand is part of the ball.

I agree it was a blown call. It was either a foul on Gasol or it was Lakers ball. How it was neither baffled me.