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  • Two Jazz men included in Lowe's discussion of young players whose progress has stalled:

    Gordon Hayward, Utah Jazz

    Life as a first option on a bad team is cruel. Hayward shot a horrific 20-of-74 over his last six games before snapping out of it Monday against Houston, and he's shooting just 40 percent for the season — including an icy 29 percent from 3-point range. Hayward's turnover rate has jumped to its highest level since his rookie season, and he's been especially shaky on the pick-and-roll — a play the Jazz have Hayward running more and more as he ascends to the lead-dog role on a team no longer sporting a post-up threat that requires automatic double teams.
    Hayward has turned the ball over on 23.8 percent of the pick-and-rolls he has finished, the sixth-worst mark in the league among 58 guys who have run at least 50 of those suckers, per Synergy Sports.

    There's nothing all that wrong with Hayward's off-the-bounce game. It just isn't worthy of undisputed top-option status, which is why Trey Burke's strong early play is such a good sign for Utah. Hayward is a bit predictable with the ball, and he doesn't have the change-of-pace calm or killer midrange pull-up every pick-and-roll guy must have. He either picks up his dribble too early, before he has really punctured the defense, or drives hard to the rim — and into a waiting crowd.

    A hard drive is a good thing, but Hayward lacks either the speed to blow by help defenders or the trickery to go around them. And when he drives himself into tight spots along the baseline, defenders all over the floor can pounce into passing lanes as Hayward desperately tries to steady himself and find an out. Trap Hayward far out on the floor and he's likely to pick up his dribble in a panic, leap into the air, and toss a cross-court jump pass ripe for the picking.

    Hayward has all the passes in his bag, and his assists are up as Utah's lead playmaker. And he has managed that on a team that had to move Marvin Williams into the starting lineup as a small-ball power forward to generate just a smidgen of spacing. Seriously: Nobody guards half of Utah's players, leaving Hayward zero space and no easy passing lanes. And forget those wide-open spot-up looks Hayward could count on in prior seasons. If the other Jazz men don't merit much attention, that means Hayward's guy is a step or two closer to Hayward.

    Hayward isn't yet good enough to succeed in that kind of situation. He can take what a defense gives — the pocket pass, the kick to a weakside shooter — but he cannot yet create anything more.

    Enes Kanter, Utah Jazz


    This is not going well. The Jazz have scored just 84.2 points per 100 possessions with both Kanter and Derrick Favors on the floor, a mark so unthinkably awful that Tyrone Corbin had to swap Kanter out of the starting lineup in favor of the stretchier Williams. That's OK for now, but Utah has a lot riding on the Kanter-Favors duo. They've appeared in just one of four games since the lineup switch, for a total of nine minutes. Kanter's minutes have been down significantly of late.

    Neither Utah big is a reliable midrange shooter who requires much respect from defenses, and the Jazz struggled to mesh Favors's pick-and-roll game with Kanter's post bullying — especially since Favors is also showing an improved post-up arsenal.

    Kanter's free throw attempts are down, and he's threatening to become a DeJuan Blair–type rebounder — a guy who kills the offensive glass and vanishes on the other end. He's rebounding just 15.6 percent of opponent misses, a terrible mark for a big man, one that verges into the Andrea Bargnani Zone.

    Kanter has been a bit of a mess defensively. Corbin often has him jumping out hard on pick-and-rolls, and Kanter just doesn't seem equipped to handle that kind of movement. He has a bad combination of lumbering speed and happy feet that creates all kinds of positioning blunders.

    There's a good NBA player here, especially on offense. I hope we see more of him this season.
    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...leap-greatness
    Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

    There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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    • Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
      Two Jazz men included in Lowe's discussion of young players whose progress has stalled:



      http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...leap-greatness
      I attended last night and there was a glimpse at the potential of this team. Burke played very well and it was eye opening how great play from the point trickles down to everyone else. Hayward played more relaxed and had a very solid game dropping 29. Burkes looked much better and even most of the role players had decent games. I'm definitely not one who is willing to write off Hayward.

      My issue is that we may start seeing more games like this and falling out of a top three lottery pick. Then my dreams of Jabari would go bye bye.

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      • Originally posted by Shaka View Post
        I attended last night and there was a glimpse at the potential of this team. Burke played very well and it was eye opening how great play from the point trickles down to everyone else. Hayward played more relaxed and had a very solid game dropping 29. Burkes looked much better and even most of the role players had decent games. I'm definitely not one who is willing to write off Hayward.

        My issue is that we may start seeing more games like this and falling out of a top three lottery pick. Then my dreams of Jabari would go bye bye.
        I don't think anyone is writing off Hayward. He's obviously good, the only question is if he can take the next step. Even though I love the guy, I'm pretty positive he'll always be a complementary player. A very good complementary player, but still.
        So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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        • Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
          I don't think anyone is writing off Hayward. He's obviously good, the only question is if he can take the next step. Even though I love the guy, I'm pretty positive he'll always be a complementary player. A very good complementary player, but still.
          I've never thought he was a franchise guy but he would be a fine second fiddle to a franchise guy. Sort of a Hornacek type of role. I think we agree.

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          • I think it's clear that with Favors and Hayward the Jazz have two guys who are good starters in the NBA and if they can keep both, they will be fixtures in the lineup for a long time.

            In the draft or free agency it looks like they are going to have to find a wing or a low post scorer to replace Burks or Kanter or both. I haven't given up on either of those guys, but chances are, at least one of them won't be a long term solution for the Jazz.
            I'm like LeBron James.
            -mpfunk

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            • I believe Favors and Kanter still need a chance to play together with Burke before we make any judgments.

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              • Kanter's injury took a lot out of him. More than I think anyone expected. He doesn't seem to have the same strength, which was a lot of his game, and while he never had a ton of explosiveness, he looks to have even less right now. This is from the spring:



                He doesn't look like he could do that right now. And I think all of this has collapsed some of his confidence. He'll bounce back, but it's going to take some time.
                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                • With Burke probably taking Utah out of the Wiggins/Randle/Parker race, maybe this is a guy that will end up getting a look from the Jazz in the draft. He's moving up Ford's big board. This high school highlight reminds me of Gerald Green.

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                  • Originally posted by BGRTHNUMEGO View Post
                    With Burke probably taking Utah out of the Wiggins/Randle/Parker race, maybe this is a guy that will end up getting a look from the Jazz in the draft. He's moving up Ford's big board. This high school highlight reminds me of Gerald Green.

                    LaVine is for real, IMO. I've seen him play on 2-3 occasions in both HS and at UCLA, and he's really good. Probably one of the more underrated freshmen this season. He's a scorer who can really shoot it.
                    I'm like LeBron James.
                    -mpfunk

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                    • Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                      Kanter's injury took a lot out of him. More than I think anyone expected. He doesn't seem to have the same strength, which was a lot of his game, and while he never had a ton of explosiveness, he looks to have even less right now. This is from the spring:



                      He doesn't look like he could do that right now. And I think all of this has collapsed some of his confidence. He'll bounce back, but it's going to take some time.
                      I don't know why you think he couldn't do that right now. I think he can.

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                      • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                        LaVine is for real, IMO. I've seen him play on 2-3 occasions in both HS and at UCLA, and he's really good. Probably one of the more underrated freshmen this season. He's a scorer who can really shoot it.
                        You didn't see him play in HS. You moved from here forever ago.
                        So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                        • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                          I don't know why you think he couldn't do that right now. I think he can.
                          But I do agree with your overall assessment

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                          • Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                            You didn't see him play in HS. You moved from here forever ago.
                            He's been on TV! In fact, in one game I saw, he was playing on the court with Mika.
                            I'm like LeBron James.
                            -mpfunk

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                            • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                              I don't know why you think he couldn't do that right now. I think he can.
                              I think he could dunk, if that's what you're suggesting. I just don't think he could do it with the same burst.
                              So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                              • Trey Burke, Jazz
                                Not only did Burke have a great game in helping Utah upset Houston on Monday night (remember, though, that Houston was missing starting forward Chandler Parsons and super sub Jeremy Lin), he threw his hat into MCW's Rookie of the Year ring. Burke made big shots all game long and played with great poise at game's end.

                                This young man is already so comfortable being a dominant player for his team that the NBA jump has not seemed too big for him. He's headed for top-three status in this report by next week.
                                http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story...okie-surprises
                                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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