BYU Hoops 2014-2015

[TripletDaddy]

Oh be quiet. You need to take the bad with the good. The same insidioiusness that got them on missions induced them to sign with BYU.

I was hoping for just enough insidiousness to get them to come to BYU but not enough to persuade them to go on a mission

[Crockett]

Tyler Haws and Kyle Collinsworth -- your best guard line in history (pe CJ) --are 5-4 in the WCC. Just imagine what might have been. How many RMs have had NBA careers of any moment? This is significant, because demonstrably Mormon/Utah culture is extremely sports crazy and turns out a disproporationate number of of athletes.

I addressed your point about RM development trajectory. Disruptive yes, "devastating" no. It is devastating that Mika is not here this year, but that was not your point before.

We are 5-4 in the WCC because we lack one puzzle piece: a serviceable big man. Everyone knows this.

How many non-RMs from BYU have had NBA careers of any moment? It's about the same number as impactful RMs: 0-1. Danny Ainge was obviously the best non-RM in the NBA. The RM with the most impact was Shawn Bradley, who accumulated roughly 2/3 the games played and stats as Ainge, but I wouldn't say Shawn had a big impact. We haven't had much impact on the NBA period.

[imanihonjin]

I do find it interesting that 8 guys on the roster are from Utah County. That said, I think the biggest problem Rose has had over the last couple of years is the lack of defense. It just isn't a priority to his style of play. Not only that but this team over the past couple of years has not been able to win close games. I would be curious to see what Rose's record is with games decided within the last two minutes of a game. This year he haven't won a single close game. To me that is a combination of poor coaching and poor execution.

Yes we have. Standford. Although the only reason it was close is because we tried to give the game away and Standford just sucked worse than we did.

[Joe Public]

I addressed your point about RM development trajectory. Disruptive yes, "devastating" no. It is devastating that Mika is not here this year, but that was not your point before.

We are 5-4 in the WCC because we lack one puzzle piece: a serviceable big man. Everyone knows this.

How many non-RMs from BYU have had NBA careers of any moment? It's about the same number as impactful RMs: 0-1. Danny Ainge was obviously the best non-RM in the NBA. The RM with the most impact was Shawn Bradley, who accumulated roughly 2/3 the games played and stats as Ainge, but I wouldn't say Shawn had a big impact. We haven't had much impact on the NBA period.

I don't disagree with your point that BYU doesn't churn out NBA players, but I would include Mel Hutchins in any discussion of BYU grads with respectable NBA careers, even though it has been a long time.

[Guest]

Yes we have. Standford. Although the only reason it was close is because we tried to give the game away and Standford just sucked worse than we did.

We were up by 10+ with less than two minutes against Stanford. I don't think anyone would consider that game being decided down the stretch even though Stanford could have stolen it. If you include Stanford BYU is 2-7 in games that were undecided with 2:00 minutes to play. For having a senior laden team, that is a terrible record. All of those games were winnable but poor execution and poor coaching did us in. People can bitch all day about the lack of productivity from the big men but to me it is the lack of execution down the stretch in tight games that doom us.

I love Tyler Haws and I don't know if he should be blamed or Dave Rose for terrible offensive execution in pivotal losses. His shot selection is awful but Rose does him no favors by not using time outs to call a play that could give him a better shot.

This team is broken on so many levels I don't know where to begin. If I were to start, I think it starts with Rose. Something has to change with regards to how this team plays defense.

[byu71]

We were up by 10+ with less than two minutes against Stanford. I don't think anyone would consider that game being decided down the stretch even though Stanford could have stolen it. If you include Stanford BYU is 2-7 in games that were undecided with 2:00 minutes to play. For having a senior laden team, that is a terrible record. All of those games were winnable but poor execution and poor coaching did us in. People can bitch all day about the lack of productivity from the big men but to me it is the lack of execution down the stretch in tight games that doom us.

I love Tyler Haws and I don't know if he should be blamed or Dave Rose for terrible offensive execution in pivotal losses. His shot selection is awful but Rose does him no favors by not using time outs to call a play that could give him a better shot.

This team is broken on so many levels I don't know where to begin. If I were to start, I think it starts with Rose. Something has to change with regards to how this team plays defense.

Is it Rose's defense or what he has to work with.

Love Haws, not a good defensive player. Might be because he is 6'5" and having to play forward.

Collinsworth, I think is a good defensive player

Fisher, no way, not athletic enough

Winder, good defensive player.

Halford, OK I guess

Big guys, non existent.

If Rose could make a good defensive team out of what he has to work with, I would be very, very surprised.

[smokymountainrain]

Is it Rose's defense or what he has to work with.

Love Haws, not a good defensive player. Might be because he is 6'5" and having to play forward.

Collinsworth, I think is a good defensive player

Fisher, no way, not athletic enough

Winder, good defensive player.

Halford, OK I guess

Big guys, non existent.

If Rose could make a good defensive team out of what he has to work with, I would be very, very surprised.

I tend to agree with this. they have no rim protection to speak of. combine that with a roster filled with below averge athletes, regardless of what the coach does, the defense is going to struggle.

[Guest]

Our defense is actually better this year than last but the fundamentals are just not there. I think using the "Not Athletic" excuse is weak. The problem is effort based. I agree that we have a couple decent defenders on our team but many times they are out of position. There might be only one team in the WCC that I would consider more athletic than us and that would be the Zags. Just like in football when we incorporate the GFGH approach on offense and then go 3 and out, we do the same thing in basketball. At times we go too fast and jack up a stupid contested shot rather than wait 5 more seconds and get a better/open shot.

In several of the close games, Haws would settle for an 18 foot contested shot with 30 seconds on the clock than to pass it around and get a better shot or drive and get fouled. Fans would defend Haws because he had 20+ points but would overlook the fact that he took some really poor shots when the team needed him the most.

[TripletDaddy]

I love Tyler Haws and I don't know if he should be blamed or Dave Rose for terrible offensive execution in pivotal losses. His shot selection is awful but Rose does him no favors by not using time outs to call a play that could give him a better shot.

have you noticed that often during timeouts when the team is gathered together, Rose is either not even in the team huddle or is only listening, not drawing up a play?

[hostile]

Is it Rose's defense or what he has to work with.

Love Haws, not a good defensive player. Might be because he is 6'5" and having to play forward.

Collinsworth, I think is a good defensive player

Fisher, no way, not athletic enough

Winder, good defensive player.

Halford, OK I guess

Big guys, non existent.

If Rose could make a good defensive team out of what he has to work with, I would be very, very surprised.

If I were Rose I'd be pissed as hell at whomever brought these poor defenders into the program.

[TripletDaddy]

If I were Rose I'd be pissed as hell at whomever brought these poor defenders into the program.

be quiet. go find an offensive and defensive coordinator!

[smokymountainrain]

If I were Rose I'd be pissed as hell at whomever brought these poor defenders into the program.

I'd be just as, if not more pissed, at the guy who didn't recruit any big men worth a shit.

[old_gregg]

i know that terry nashif is allegedy not a homosexual or asian undergraduate student, but his clear glasses are really making me suspicious.

[wapiti]

Fred Roberts played in the NBA for 12 years. Greg Kite played in the NBA for 10 years and won two championships with the Celtics as a bench player.

[SeattleUte]

Fred Roberts played in the NBA for 12 years. Greg Kite played in the NBA for 10 years and won two championships with the Celtics as a bench player.

I was thinking of them. Except for Bradley, a freak of nature, all successful NBA careers by BYU players have been non-RMs. Mel Hutchins does count too.