The official Dave Rice is a better coach than Special K thread..........

[Flattop]

Rice is 7-0 with a win over number 1 North Carolina on a neutral floor.

Special K is 1-6 with a 3 point home win over San Diego Christian College and losses to Adams State, UNC-Asheville, UMass, Harvard, Boise State and Montana State clearly the who's who of college hoops.

Good call Chris Hll.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Rice has better players at UNLV than he would have had at Utah -- even if he had managed to get Clyburn and O'Brien to stay.

[Flattop]

Most of the Utes fans (not speaking for myself) probably were paranoid of hiring another assistant coach. I think Krystkowiak was a good hire, long rebuild ahead.

I don't know about most Utes fans. I wanted an established coach like Bennett. I did not like the LK hire.

[SeattleUte]

I don't know about most Utes fans. I wanted an established coach like Bennett. I did not like the LK hire.

You are like most BYU fans who delude themselves that BYU made a decision not to go to the Pac 12. Bennett was approached by Hill, if memory recalls correctly there was an interview of some kind, and he said no thanks. He didn't want to come to Utah.

You might as well be saying you preferred the other Coach K.

[Flattop]

You are like most BYU fans who delude themselves that BYU made a decision not to go to the Pac 12. Bennett was approached by Hill, if memory recalls correctly there was an interview of some kind, and he said no thanks. He didn't want to come to Utah.

You might as well be saying you preferred the other Coach K.

Yes, Bennett was approached and said no. "Like Bennett" means someone like Bennett for level of experience.

It's ironic, really. Before Boylen was fired people were saying that because of Utah's tradition and because of being in the Pac-12, Utah could hire just about anybody. Now people are saying we couldn't even have hired Dave Freaking Rice.

Utah is not a good job right now and there is plenty of blame to go around. Quick firings and a lack of stability are among the reasons for Utah's predicament. Giac had to be fired because he quit on his team and his team quit on him.

For some more irony, Utes fans said after Giac was fired that the next guy was going to need plenty of time to fix the problems, at least five years. The next guy won a conference title in his second season, and so, as a victim of his own success, was fired after year four because of recruiting mistakes and a failure to establish any kind of coherent offensive system.

Yes, Boylen failed at Utah, and the Utes likely would not have been much better this year if he had been retained. On the other hand, by standing pat and enduring one more bad year, Utah might have put itself in a better position to hire his successor. Utah might have had more money and might have shed itself of the reputation of firing guys too quickly. Maybe players like O'Brien, after playing two years, would have felt more ownership of the program.

Damn right I wanted someone like Bennett. I was told we could get someone like him. Hell, I would have taken Reveno from Portland. It seems we couldn't even do that well. Maybe we got LK because he was the only one willing to take the job. If so, that speaks volumes about the Utah job.

Well, he's the guy, and I sure hope he succeeds, but it is going to be a long hard road.

[SeattleUte]

Yes, Bennett was approached and said no. "Like Bennett" means someone like Bennett for level of experience.

It's ironic, really. Before Boylen was fired people were saying that because of Utah's tradition and because of being in the Pac-12, Utah could hire just about anybody. Now people are saying we couldn't even have hired Dave Freaking Rice.

Utah is not a good job right now and there is plenty of blame to go around. Quick firings and a lack of stability are among the reasons for Utah's predicament. Giac had to be fired because he quit on his team and his team quit on him.

For some more irony, Utes fans said after Giac was fired that the next guy was going to need plenty of time to fix the problems, at least five years. The next guy won a conference title in his second season, and so, as a victim of his own success, was fired after year four because of recruiting mistakes and a failure to establish any kind of coherent offensive system.

Yes, Boylen failed at Utah, and the Utes likely would not have been much better this year if he had been retained. On the other hand, by standing pat and enduring one more bad year, Utah might have put itself in a better position to hire his successor. Utah might have had more money and might have shed itself of the reputation of firing guys too quickly. Maybe players like O'Brien, after playing two years, would have felt more ownership of the program.

Damn right I wanted someone like Bennett. I was told we could get someone like him. Hell, I would have taken Reveno from Portland. It seems we couldn't even do that well. Maybe we got LK because he was the only one willing to take the job. If so, that speaks volumes about the Utah job.

Well, he's the guy, and I sure hope he succeeds, but it is going to be a long hard road.

We had to fire Boylen when we did. The problem wasn't going to get better. The cancer wasn't going to go away. One DI caliber freshman recruit (MAYBE, if O'Brien really is good, big assumption) was going to take its ultimate, catastrophic, apocalyptic toll this season or next. The transfers and recruits that K has already attracted have already vindicated the decision to fire Boylen; we were in dire straits.

[snowcat]

You know what, I plead guilty to not knowing all the details about every kid playing in Sticksville, Utah and Utah County . BYU can have them all (except for the occasional anomaly like C.J. Wilcox);

I hate to point out here that only 1 of those 4 recruits is from Utah.

[il Padrino Ute]

I hate to point out here that only 1 of those 4 recruits is from Utah.

Why hate pointing it out?

[Katy Lied]

Because ute fans don't like to call each other out.

[il Padrino Ute]

Because ute fans don't like to call each other out.

Generally, this is true. But I like to point out when SU is wrong.

[snowcat]

Why hate pointing it out?

I don't want to do anything that might damage his testimony.

[Topper]

Generally, this is true. But I like to point out when SU is wrong.

His being in error appears to be a routine event here, but it doesn't change his shtick. Does he have a corner on the market on being insufferably arrogant while he is completely oblivious to the facts? That's a rare talent.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Does he have a corner on the market on being insufferably arrogant while he is completely oblivious to the facts? That's a rare talent.

No. I do that too.

[Topper]

No. I do that too.

But you're the Dude and in that capacity, what else might one expect?

[cougjunkie]

3 pages deep, I guess everyone is on to me.

[SeattleUte]

3 pages deep, I guess everyone is on to me.

We had a good discussion in your absense, including of a crucial historical event. Thank you, or, more accurately, maybe, little thanks to you.