2010-11 BYU Basketball Thread

[Indy Coug]

FWIW, BYU was 8 for 16 from three at halftime Saturday. They were 3 for 15 in the 2nd half when they were up by 40 to 50 points.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

I am not too worried about the threes. I think most of it can be attributed to sloppy and lazy play in the second half of blow outs.

However, I am concerned about Emery's poor shooting. But I think he'll figure it out and start to trust his shot again. He's hesitating now and it's showing. And Rogers, the supposed 3 point bomber has yet to find his stroke. But my biggest concern is Abuou. He is attempting way too many three-pointers. I think he has half as many attempts in 3 games as he did all last year. And he's a horrible 3-pt shooter.

There's no doubting Abouo needs to get to the rim more. I think the coaching is failing if we don't see improvements from Abouo and Emery in that regard this season.

But he's not a horrible 3-point shooter. I don't know if we've had enough performance in the past to say he's a good shooter from long range, but last year he did make 41% of his 27 attempts. He was bad against Utah State and instead of working through it by driving he just kept throwing them up. But even with that 1-6 game in a very short season, if you factor in his preseason games he has hit 34% of his attempted 3's.

[Surfah]

There's no doubting Abouo needs to get to the rim more. I think the coaching is failing if we don't see improvements from Abouo and Emery in that regard this season.

But he's not a horrible 3-point shooter. I don't know if we've had enough performance in the past to say he's a good shooter from long range, but last year he did make 41% of his 27 attempts. He was bad against Utah State and instead of working through it by driving he just kept throwing them up. But even with that 1-6 game in a very short season, if you factor in his preseason games he has hit 34% of his attempted 3's.

I guess he isn't a horrible 3 point shooter looking over his career. But we certainly don't need him chucking.

[jay santos]

Blowout win like we expected over CSU. This is going to be a very fun year.

My worry:

I am a bit nervous about the amount of threes this team is shooting.

vs FSU 6 for 21
vs USU 7 for 26
vs CSU 11 for 31

I don't like living any dying by the three. Against teams with good perimeter defenders this BYU team is going to be vulnerable unless they get more balance. Jimmer is shooting 11 for 24 (45%) I am not worried about him. The rest of the team is 13 for 54 (24%). The rest of the team is shooting waaaaaaaay too many threes. Maybe it is just that we have blown two of these teams out and it gets sloppy which results in more threes. I also know we are an uptempo team that gets more possessions which result in more than a typical amount of three point attempts. But I really don't want to be a team that shoots much more than 20 threes per night especially is everyone except Jimmer continues to shoot below 30%. So far this year the team has taken 205 shots of which 78 were from three point range (38%).

We won the games and I am happy but it is something to watch as the season progresses IMHO.

I'm not worried about good three point shooters shooting 3's. On this year's team that is Jimmer, Jax, Rogers, Zylstra. I am concerned about poor three point shooters: Kyle, Chris, Charles. And the problem is those three are going to get a lot of open looks. Last year the guy's we had hanging around on the perimeter most of the time: Jax, Haws, Loyd, JT, Charles all could shoot with Charles the exception.

So I do agree with your point.

[Flystripper]

FWIW, BYU was 8 for 16 from three at halftime Saturday. They were 3 for 15 in the 2nd half when they were up by 40 to 50 points.

Fair enough. I did leave room for blowout sloppiness and it is still very early of the season but it is something to watch.

[Blueintheface]

I have to be honest, I'd rather Emery shoot it from the perimeter. He is a horrible finisher at the rim. While Abouo has the bounce and game to finish at the rim, Emery is tentative and prone to getting blocked.

Also, Jackson, just shoot the ball. If you try just once more to draw a foul on a three point shot I will come to the MC and flick you in that enormous Adam's apple.

[KillerDog]

I think we are a much worse 3 point shooting team this year. I only like Jackson to shoot off the inside out pass. I don't like him off a perimeter pass and I hate him off the bounce. Charles shoots a 3 that makes me uncomfortable too. His release looks a bit accidental. Basically, in our starting 5, I only like Jimmer shooting 3s off the bounce or off the pass from another perimeter player. I like Jackson if the ball goes in and then comes back out. I don't like anyone else to shoot a three because they are far better going to the rim.

Despite being a much worse 3 point shooting team, I'm not worried so long as our coaches encourage certain players to penetrate first shoot second. We have much better penetrators than we had last year. Abuou is better at penetrating than Haws. CC is much better at penetrating than Noah who in turn is better than Miles was. Our 6th man, KC, seems to be able to get into the lane against anyone and JT, our former 6th man, had trouble penetrating against noone. We have a very different skill set this year.

[Flystripper]

I think we are a much worse 3 point shooting team this year. I only like Jackson to shoot off the inside out pass. I don't like him off a perimeter pass and I hate him off the bounce. Charles shoots a 3 that makes me uncomfortable too. His release looks a bit accidental. Basically, in our starting 5, I only like Jimmer shooting 3s off the bounce or off the pass from another perimeter player. I like Jackson if the ball goes in and then comes back out. I don't like anyone else to shoot a three because they are far better going to the rim.

Despite being a much worse 3 point shooting team, I'm not worried so long as our coaches encourage certain players to penetrate first shoot second. We have much better penetrators than we had last year. Abuou is better at penetrating than Haws. CC is much better at penetrating than Noah who in turn is better than Miles was. Our 6th man, KC, seems to be able to get into the lane against anyone and JT, our former 6th man, had trouble penetrating against noone. We have a very different skill set this year.

Which is mildly disconcerting since nearly 40% of our shots have been from 3 point range. Like I said, I know it is early and I know that two of these wins were blowouts, but I really hope we are not seeing 27 three point shots (41% of total shots taken) against quality teams like we did against Utah State.

[KillerDog]

Which is mildly disconcerting since nearly 40% of our shots have been from 3 point range. Like I said, I know it is early and I know that two of these wins were blowouts, but I really hope we are not seeing 27 three point shots (41% of total shots taken) against quality teams like we did against Utah State.

I agree 100%. In fact, during the USU game I irritated the fan in front of me by "encouraging" the players to go to the rim instead of chuck up 3 pointers. When this team is firing on all cylinders it will be because they are going to the rim, not because they are shooting 3s well.

[Surfah]

Well we crept into the coaches poll at #25. And we moved up two spots to #21 in the AP poll. Sagarin has us at #10. Ken Pom at #14. RPI currently sits at #24.

[cougjunkie]

Well we crept into the coaches poll at #25. And we moved up two spots to #21 in the AP poll. Sagarin has us at #10. Ken Pom at #14. RPI currently sits at #24.

Jimmer is averaging 24.8 points, shooting 50% from the floor, 40% from 3, he is also averaging 2.5 steals and 5 assists per game.

Hartsock is averaging 11 and 5. Also BYUs leading rebounder is Abouo at 6.7 per game.

[Goatnapper'96]

Jimmer is averaging 24.8 points, shooting 50% from the floor, 40% from 3, he is also averaging 2.5 steals and 5 assists per game.

Hartsock is averaging 11 and 5. Also BYUs leading rebounder is Abouo at 6.7 per game.

My initial impressions, after watching a couple of games, is that BYU is not as good offensively but better defensively. I think this club is more athletic than last year, even accounting for Lloyd's loss. The two Collinsworth boys are far more athletic than Haws and JT. I believe that when the dust settles this club will be a better basketball team in March than last season. Even with the loss of Lloyd. I also think some of the new players will make more significant contributions as time goes on. I believe by the end of the year we will see Stephen Rogers' scoring ability. Once he becomes a perimeter threat off the bench, it will be a huge boon for this squad.

I love the Collinsworth boys. Very athletic, aggressive and competitive.

[jay santos]

My initial impressions, after watching a couple of games, is that BYU is not as good offensively but better defensively. I think this club is more athletic than last year, even accounting for Lloyd's loss. The two Collinsworth boys are far more athletic than Haws and JT. I believe that when the dust settles this club will be a better basketball team in March than last season. Even with the loss of Lloyd. I also think some of the new players will make more significant contributions as time goes on. I believe by the end of the year we will see Stephen Rogers' scoring ability. Once he becomes a perimeter threat off the bench, it will be a huge boon for this squad.

I love the Collinsworth boys. Very athletic, aggressive and competitive.

The team looks very unpolished right now. It's hard to predict where we'll end up because I don't know how polished we're going to get. We look very sloppy on offense at times. And we have a lot of players on the court together that look inept offensively: Abouo at times, both Collinsworths (Kyle is very smooth but struggling with finishing), Magnusson, Zylstra at times, Martineau. If I had to predict, I'd say we will be slightly not as good as we were at the end of last year, but I could also see things coming together and the added athleticism putting us ahead of last year.

[Indy Coug]

I thought our offense took one step forward against St. Mary's. They still need several more steps. Creighton will be a decent road test.

[KillerDog]

I thought our offense took one step forward against St. Mary's. They still need several more steps. Creighton will be a decent road test.

Agreed.

I really like our ability to stay in games and then let Jimmer take over at the end. It is also good to see Jax getting it going (I just wish he could take contact while going to the rim. He is sooooooo soft on the drive).