2010-11 BYU Basketball Thread

[Donuthole]

BYU is 8 in the AP and USA Today, behind SDSU in both.

East Coast bias meets traditional power bias with UNC jumping all the way from #13 to #6, despite having twice as many losses as BYU and playing in a weaker conference.

But they beat an overrated Duke team on national TV, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

[Surfah]

East Coast bias meets traditional power bias with UNC jumping all the way from #13 to #6, despite having twice as many losses as BYU and playing in a weaker conference.

But they beat an overrated Duke team on national TV, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

Duke is making lots of people's season. See VA Tech.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

East Coast bias meets traditional power bias with UNC jumping all the way from #13 to #6, despite having twice as many losses as BYU and playing in a weaker conference.

But they beat an overrated Duke team on national TV, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

Yeah, but let's be honest here. BYU got beaten by 18 points at home by a team barely inside the RPI top 100. BYU is going to have a dreadful time defending the rim and grabbing rebounds with any proficiency. After losing CC and Tyler Haws, BYU just couldn't lose any more guys playing the 3-5 positions.

With that said, I am heartened by Charles Shamwow's play and KC played well against Wyoming. If that continues, BYU will make the Sweet 16. After the UNM game last week I was wondering if BYU was going to get anything higher than a 4 seed and whether a 13 seed would give BYU all that it could handle.

If you look at the whole body of work, maybe BYU does deserve to be higher than UNC, but as it stands right now I like UNC's chances in the tourney a lot more than BYU's.

[Donuthole]

Yeah, but let's be honest here. BYU got beaten by 18 points at home by a team barely inside the RPI top 100. BYU is going to have a dreadful time defending the rim and grabbing rebounds with any proficiency. After losing CC and Tyler Haws, BYU just couldn't lose any more guys playing the 3-5 positions.

With that said, I am heartened by Charles Shamwow's play and KC played well against Wyoming. If that continues, BYU will make the Sweet 16. After the UNM game last week I was wondering if BYU was going to get anything higher than a 4 seed and whether a 13 seed would give BYU all that it could handle.

If you look at the whole body of work, maybe BYU does deserve to be higher than UNC, but as it stands right now I like UNC's chances in the tourney a lot more than BYU's.

Since when are the polls supposed to predict how far you'll go in the tourney?

As for the UNM home loss, whenever anybody (Gottleib excluded) talks about Kansas' home loss to Texas, they mention the fact that there was an emotional letdown for that game because of the death of Thomas Robinson's mother. The disclaimer is as if to say "if they played that game tomorrow, it wouldn't play out the same way." BYU's home loss to UNM was 20% Davies' absence, and 80% emotional letdown. KU gets the benefit of the emotional letdown, but BYU doesn't.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Since when are the polls supposed to predict how far you'll go in the tourney?

As for the UNM home loss, whenever anybody (Gottleib excluded) talks about Kansas' home loss to Texas, they mention the fact that there was an emotional letdown for that game because of the death of Thomas Robinson's mother. The disclaimer is as if to say "if they played that game tomorrow, it wouldn't play out the same way." BYU's home loss to UNM was 20% Davies' absence, and 80% emotional letdown. KU gets the benefit of the emotional letdown, but BYU doesn't.

That's fine and all, but the difference here is that we're talking about UNM and not Texas. I don't doubt that there was a huge emotional letdown, but a #2 or even #1 seed should still be able to deal with a team that got beaten twice by the likes of Utah.

IMO, polls should try to predict how far a team will go in the tourney. As I mentioned before, I like UNC's chances at this point more than BYU's because BYU has a severe depth problem at the 4-5 right now. Only Hartsock is a good or even a serviceable player.

BYU has had some tragic luck this year. Just think if this team had CC, Haws and Davies on the roster heading into the tourney. Either Hartsock or Davies is coming off the bench along with AbWow and KC. All of this to go along with the best backcourt BYU has ever had.

[ERCougar]

I just got a tweet that said Jerry Palm has BYU as a 4 seed. Too lazy to check that out, but that's ridiculous if true.

[TripletDaddy]

That's fine and all, but the difference here is that we're talking about UNM and not Texas. I don't doubt that there was a huge emotional letdown, but a #2 or even #1 seed should still be able to deal with a team that got beaten twice by the likes of Utah.

IMO, polls should try to predict how far a team will go in the tourney. As I mentioned before, I like UNC's chances at this point more than BYU's because BYU has a severe depth problem at the 4-5 right now. Only Hartsock is a good or even a serviceable player.

BYU has had some tragic luck this year. Just think if this team had CC, Haws and Davies on the roster heading into the tourney. Either Hartsock or Davies is coming off the bench along with AbWow and KC. All of this to go along with the best backcourt BYU has ever had.

Haws? Where did he come from? If you are pulling out players that were not the team this year, I would also throw in Mike Loyd. Unlike Haws, Loyd is still supposed to be on this team right now. We would be running teams out of the gym with that kid coming off the bench.

[jay santos]

I just got a tweet that said Jerry Palm has BYU as a 4 seed. Too lazy to check that out, but that's ridiculous if true.

We're in a weird position where the committee has to evaluate us based on how good we are today vs what we deserve based on how we did the whole season. Or how good we are with or without Davies.

I assume we'll lose in the MWC tourney. So if you seed just on our record and performance, blind to the Davies impact, I think we're a 3-4 seed. Three seed is teams ranked 9 -12, 4 seed is 13 - 16.

If you seed based on how how good we are right now without Davies, I think you could put us anywhere from a 6 to an 8. I don't think we're as good as we were last year with this team right now.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Haws? Where did he come from? If you are pulling out players that were not the team this year, I would also throw in Mike Loyd. Unlike Haws, Loyd is still supposed to be on this team right now. We would be running teams out of the gym with that kid coming off the bench.

I'm just throwing out a what-if scenario and Mike Loyd should have also been included. BYU would have gone 9 deep:

Jimmer
Emery
Haws
CC
Hartsock

Bench:

Davies
Loyd
AbWow
KC

At any other school (and supposing Haws didn't go on mission), its roster would have included all of these players except for CC (injuries happen at all schools) and, possibly, Loyd.

[jay santos]

I'm just throwing out a what-if scenario and Mike Loyd should have also been included. BYU would have gone 9 deep:

Jimmer
Emery
Haws
CC
Hartsock

Bench:

Davies
Loyd
AbWow
KC

At any other school (and supposing Haws didn't go on mission), its roster would have included all of these players except for CC (injuries happen at all schools) and, possibly, Loyd.

Just curious, why do you think CC would start over Hartsock and Davies? I don't see him doing that, including next year if Davies is back.

[Surfah]

That's fine and all, but the difference here is that we're talking about UNM and not Texas. I don't doubt that there was a huge emotional letdown, but a #2 or even #1 seed should still be able to deal with a team that got beaten twice by the likes of Utah.

IMO, polls should try to predict how far a team will go in the tourney. As I mentioned before, I like UNC's chances at this point more than BYU's because BYU has a severe depth problem at the 4-5 right now. Only Hartsock is a good or even a serviceable player.

BYU has had some tragic luck this year. Just think if this team had CC, Haws and Davies on the roster heading into the tourney. Either Hartsock or Davies is coming off the bench along with AbWow and KC. All of this to go along with the best backcourt BYU has ever had.

The committee is supposed to look at the body of work and seed based on that, not upon projections of how the team will do in the tourney. This of course doesn't happen. See Purdue last year after Hummel went down, KMart busting his leg at Cincy or even LMU after Hank Gathers tragically died. That LMU team still went to the Elite Eight.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Haws? Where did he come from? If you are pulling out players that were not the team this year, I would also throw in Mike Loyd. Unlike Haws, Loyd is still supposed to be on this team right now. We would be running teams out of the gym with that kid coming off the bench.

I am going to go all the way back to Tai Wesley. He was committed to BYU at one point. Dammit, I wish we had him now.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Just curious, why do you think CC would start over Hartsock and Davies? I don't see him doing that, including next year if Davies is back.

At the beginning of the year, Collinsworth was starting ahead of Davies, but it appeared like both were getting about the same amount of minutes. Also, I believe CC and Davies also started a couple games together and Hartsock was the guy coming off the bench. CC's injury allowed Davies to develop with more playing time and CC will not be starting over Davies if we get Davies back next year.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I am going to go all the way back to Tai Wesley. He was committed to BYU at one point. Dammit, I wish we had him now.

I was thinking the same thing when I was watching Saint Mary's and Utah State play, BYU could really use Tai Wesley.

[LiveCoug]

LOL..

Fish and Rose are Co coaches of the year... so it begins.