Boylen

[Top Ute]

SWISH!

This should be a good lesson for us in going after a new head coach, but somehow I think we'll ignore it.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Because like UNLV fans, Utah fans have unrealistic expectations. They have zero sense of reality and think that because they had a nice 2 year run under Majerus 15 years ago they should be at that level year in and year out. When in reality they are an upper tier mid-major at best regardless of what conference they play in. They will make the occassional sweet 16 run, make the tourney 6 out of 10 years and finish at the bottom half of the conference every so often. That is who they are and the sooner they realize that the more happy they will be with current state of the program.

I agree that there are some Utah fans with unrealistic expectations, but your post is absolutely ridiculous. It is funny to have you talking about zero sense of reality when you characterize Majerus' tenure as a nice 2 year run. It was 15 years of domination of a conference.

I don't think your expectations for Utah are that out of line with what I would be happy with. However, I doubt that you would be happy with those expectations for BYU. What are your expectations for the BYU program and if they are better than what Utah fans should expect why is it that BYU should expect better? My expectations for the Utes is 7/10 years in the NCAA tournament, conference title every 4 years, and winning 80% of home games.

So Dave Rice fan the BYU program and they didn't skip a beat and that is why Utah should hire him? How many games did Dave Rice coach? How many practices did he run on his own? How many recruits were signed during the period that he ran the program?

I'm not dogging Dave Rice by saying the Utes shouldn't hire him or should make him about 20-30 on the list, he just doesn't have that good of a resume. Jim Boylen was a fantastic assistant coach, but he was a miserable failure Jim Boylen's resume was substantially better when he was hired by Utah than Rice has right now. Utah also has to realize that we are competing in the Pac-12 and how many Pac-12 schools are hiring a first time head coach for a mid-major conference that has never been an assistant at a top program?

Current Pac-12 coaches:

Mike Montgomery
Ben Howland
Sean Miller
Lorenzo Romar
Dana Altman
Herb Sendek
Kevin O'Neil
Johnny Dawkins
Ken Bone
Craig Robinson
Tad Boyle

Every single coach in the Pac-12, except for Johnny Dawkins, had head coaching experience before being hired by the school he coaches at. If you were ranking the coaches going into the season the highest that you could even consider ranking Rice is 9th on the list and even that is a question mark.

There is a reason that BYU fans are pushing for Rice at Utah and it is because they want Utah to kill another 3-4 years of the program with another unqualified coach and have to be looking for a new coach in another 3-4 years.

[LA Ute]

Talking about Rice as the next HC at Utah is a waste of good trolling time. You guys should find something else to poke us about. How about attendance smack or admissions standards smack?

[MartyFunkhouser]

Which is why I thought it was a good article. The author said exactly that. Rice has led BYU's recruiting and offense for 4 years now. He's got an in at one of the top prep schools from which he'll probably be able to pull talent. He took over BYU's program when Rose got sick and they didn't miss a beat. Why Utes continue to dog Rice is beyond me. Like you they would be lucky to get Rice. I guess this explains much as to why the Utes and their fans are where they at. I have always said my short list would be Bennett and then Rice.

BYU fans saying Utah would be lucky to get Rice are just saying that to put down our program. "You guys would be lucky to even get an assistant coach with a mediocre pedigree that hasn't been offered any head coaching gigs in 17 years."

Boylen had a better resume than Rice when we hired him. Utah hires Rice and he is easily the least qualified head coach in the past 80 years at Utah (I would say of all time but I can't really say if the coaches from the 1900s-20s were less qualified).

I'd be a little worried if Utah hired a guy instate when there are at least 5 coaches in the State that have a better resume and are more qualified (Dave Rose (yes I realize he isn't even an option), Dick Hunsaker, Randy Rahe, Stew Morrill, and Tommy Connor).

[MartyFunkhouser]

Talking about Rice as the next HC at Utah is a waste of good trolling time. You guys should find something else to poke us about. How about attendance smack or admissions standards smack?

It is exactly that. All the talk of Dave Rice as Utah's coach and how lucky we would be to have them is BYU fans twisting the knife. At least be honest about your pissing on our program and just point out how pathetic the results are on the court instead of trying to play nice and hide the pissing on it by talking up Dave Rice as our savior.

[EuropeanFootballMale]

I think Utah should look at hiring Dave Rice.

[LA Coug]

Because like UNLV fans, Utah fans have unrealistic expectations. They have zero sense of reality and think that because they had a nice 2 year run under Majerus 15 years ago they should be at that level year in and year out. When in reality they are an upper tier mid-major at best regardless of what conference they play in. They will make the occassional sweet 16 run, make the tourney 6 out of 10 years and finish at the bottom half of the conference every so often. That is who they are and the sooner they realize that the more happy they will be with current state of the program.

can we please keep the "zero sense of reality" smack talk on UFN and CB respectively? I've come to expect on those sites that all Utah fans are uneducated gas station attendants who enjoy pregame jello shots from sacrament trays and all BYU fans are sanctimonious assholes. Here, though, it seemed there was a more rational take on things.

[Surfah]

I am not trolling. I think Rice is a hell of a coach and BYU will miss him dearly when he leaves.

[Top Ute]

BYU fans saying Utah would be lucky to get Rice are just saying that to put down our program. "You guys would be lucky to even get an assistant coach with a mediocre pedigree that hasn't been offered any head coaching gigs in 17 years."

Boylen had a better resume than Rice when we hired him. Utah hires Rice and he is easily the least qualified head coach in the past 80 years at Utah (I would say of all time but I can't really say if the coaches from the 1900s-20s were less qualified).

I'd be a little worried if Utah hired a guy instate when there are at least 5 coaches in the State that have a better resume and are more qualified (Dave Rose (yes I realize he isn't even an option), Dick Hunsaker, Randy Rahe, Stew Morrill, and Tommy Connor).

Your coaches back then weren't concentrated in one sport. Most coached two sports, and some three, as well as being athletic director. Did you know Ike Armstrong has the worst W-L of any Utah hoops coach ever?

So you can take the 1900s-20s out of your timeline. Rice would be the least-qualified HC ever at Utah. But he's not a worse option than Connor. There's a huge dropoff between the first four guys you mentioned and Connor, who is in Division II of NAIA. Listing Connor with those guys is a huge stretch.

[LA Ute]

can we please keep the "zero sense of reality" smack talk on UFN and CB respectively? I've come to expect on those sites that all Utah fans are uneducated gas station attendants who enjoy pregame jello shots from sacrament trays and all BYU fans are sanctimonious assholes. Here, though, it seemed there was a more rational take on things.

Well said, my alter ego.

[Clark Addison]

It is exactly that. All the talk of Dave Rice as Utah's coach and how lucky we would be to have them is BYU fans twisting the knife. At least be honest about your pissing on our program and just point out how pathetic the results are on the court instead of trying to play nice and hide the pissing on it by talking up Dave Rice as our savior.

I understand your logic about not wanting Rice, but I think you are mis-understanding most BYU fans' thinking about promoting Rice. BYU fans think Rice is a fantastic head coach. A lot of BYU fans are upset because, if Rose were to leave tomorrow, Rice, not yet being LDS, would not be hired. They may be overly effusive in their praise of Rice, but it isn't malicious.

[Surfah]

I understand your logic about not wanting Rice, but I think you are mis-understanding most BYU fans' thinking about promoting Rice. BYU fans think Rice is a fantastic head coach. A lot of BYU fans are upset because, if Rose were to leave tomorrow, Rice, not yet being LDS, would not be hired. They may be overly effusive in their praise of Rice, but it isn't malicious.

You're wrong, I was twisting the knife. BYU won't miss Dave Rice at all. I hope he goes to Utah because his coaching philosophy and offense won't make the Utes the Runnin' Utes again. Plus he's a sorry ass recruiter. Nevermind that he has an in with a top 25 prep school to draw talent from.

[LA Ute]

You're wrong, I was twisting the knife. BYU won't miss Dave Rice at all. I hope he goes to Utah because his coaching philosophy and offense won't make the Utes the Runnin' Utes again. Plus he's a sorry ass recruiter. Nevermind that he has an in with a top 25 prep school to draw talent from.

So you really do wish good things for Utah? You really would wish a very fine coach upon us? I feel a little verklempt. This is a little hard for most of us to buy, but I want to give you a chance to tell us how you really feel.

[cougjunkie]

You're wrong, I was twisting the knife. BYU won't miss Dave Rice at all. I hope he goes to Utah because his coaching philosophy and offense won't make the Utes the Runnin' Utes again. Plus he's a sorry ass recruiter. Nevermind that he has an in with a top 25 prep school to draw talent from.

Exactly the coach in charge of recruiting at BYU that has landed Jimmer Fredette, Damarcus Harrison, Tyler Haws, Kyle Collinsworth, Matt Carlino, etc. would not be a good fit for Utah. The fact that if he was coaching at a school that was not a religious institution like BYU and would have a legit shot at landing Shabazz Muhammad and ROscoe Allen should not be considered either. Also he is the architect of BYUs offense an offense that has ranked in the top 10 nationally every year since he has been on the staff. None of that would make the utes better, in fact they would be much better off hiring a washout like Theus from New Mexico st. or a drunk like Billy Gillespie. At least those guys would better be able to relate to the fans up there.

[Top Ute]

Exactly the coach in charge of recruiting at BYU that has landed Jimmer Fredette, Damarcus Harrison, Tyler Haws, Kyle Collinsworth, Matt Carlino, etc. would not be a good fit for Utah. The fact that if he was coaching at a school that was not a religious institution like BYU and would have a legit shot at landing Shabazz Muhammad and ROscoe Allen should not be considered either. Also he is the architect of BYUs offense an offense that has ranked in the top 10 nationally every year since he has been on the staff. None of that would make the utes better, in fact they would be much better off hiring a washout like Theus from New Mexico st. or a drunk like Billy Gillespie. At least those guys would better be able to relate to the fans up there.

Theus a wash-out? Now that's some funny stuff right there.

If Rice was all that as a recruiter, he'd land a non-LDS kid here and there. Would he have landed the LDS kids you mentioned if he were at Utah? If your answer to that is an unqualified no, then why would we want him? What difference is he capable of making at Utah?