At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Really? Anywhere new Yorkers go to spend their money is going to see considerable infections. Thankfully, new yorkers havent figured out yet that Utah has the best skiing.

Park city is kind of a hot spot for utah.

[Moliere]

The more I look at maps like this, the more baffled I am at how widespread the virus is in the US and Europe. Absolutely incredible that, if this thing barely got here are the beginning of the year that it has spread to almost every county in the US. It's either an indication of just how contagious it is or how much we as humans travel in today's age. Or it's an indication that the virus has been around a bit longer than we know and it's just now ramping up and getting bad. But still, pretty incredible.

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[CardiacCoug]

Park city is kind of a hot spot for utah.

Uh yep I rode the ski lifts with a ton of New Yorkers all February.

[wapiti]

What in the Sam Hill are your talking about???

Let's all get one thing strait, this disease can be gotten anywhere. I've mentioned this before in other threads that 25% of all cases are asymptomatic. This means without the number of tests that are needed, but currently don't have, it is impossible to trace where things are coming from. So, they can come from anywhere. This is why we need to shelter in place. Closing these stores is necessary because they provide nothing vital to the survival of humans. I laugh when people say that taking precautions by protecting workers will allow the store to stay open. How can you protect the workers from an asymptomatic individual that inadvertently coughs, sneezes, sweats, etc? You can't. AND you cannot ensure you are protecting anyone!! We can't know who is passing it along, so we cut this off properly.

No doubt about it, this is a shit sandwich and we all gotta take a bite.

I respectfully disagree. Stores like the ones listed can safely reopen with precautions. Require customers to cover their mouths. Put a screen between the checker and the customer. This isn't that difficult.

[originalsocal]

I respectfully disagree. Stores like the ones listed can safely reopen with precautions. Require customers to cover their mouths. Put a screen between the checker and the customer. This isn't that difficult.

That's fine that you disagree, but respectfully you are flat out wrong. Ask any expert in public health, they will say the same thing.

[Omaha 680]

Uh yep I rode the ski lifts with a ton of New Yorkers all February.

Just my anecdotal experience. When new yorkers talk to me about going west to ski its Aspen, Vail, Sun Valley, Tahoe. I'm sure plenty go to Park City but I don't think it's in the numbers they hit those other places.

[wapiti]

That's fine that you disagree, but respectfully you are flat out wrong. Ask any expert in public health, they will say the same thing.

No, I'm not. The health experts are going to cause a depression. If keeping stores closed was so important, they'd close walmart. They are closing stuff that doesn't matter and not enforcing standards on the "essentials". There is no reason to close something that isn't a threat.

[SeattleUte]

Has anyone linked this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/o...e=articleShare

It may be the most important article on Covid-19 that I've read--published on Wednesday in the NY Times opinion section.

Symptoms even death may depend on dosage load. If someone with Covid-19 sits next to you breathing maybe you should kill them in self defense (just kidding). The virus spreads through the air, which makes it so contagious. So while sitting next to someone infected on a subway for an hour may be extremely harmful even fatal depending on your vulnerability, someone infecting you by handing you a cup of coffee with no other interaction may be good because your infection may be asymptomatic and develop an immunity.

Masks do help. The government and media's statements that they don't help was a big lie. Masks don't need to be disposable medical masks. Use a balaclava.

Understanding this is super important for reactivating the economy. Anyone on mass transit needs to wear a mask, for example. There are various activities we can do while avoiding the type of close and prolonged interaction that would lead to a high dose of the virus. Spectator sports is out, but a round of golf can be safe and healthy. No work meetings (yay!) but we should be able to go to work if we can make safe space.

This should have guided public policy from the beginning. Instead, they lied about masks and just shut down everything. Even touching some virus on a counter is as bad as can be, we've been led to believe.

All governments and the media have been terrible.

[SeattleUte]

Park city is kind of a hot spot for utah.

Orgies.

[Bo Diddley]

Symptoms even death may depend on dosage load. If someone with Covid-19 sits next to you breathing maybe you should kill them in self defense (just kidding). The virus spreads through the air, which makes it so contagious. So while sitting next to someone infected on a subway for an hour may be extremely harmful even fatal depending on your vulnerability, someone infecting you by handing you a cup of coffee with no other interaction may be good because your infection may be asymptomatic and develop an immunity.

Where this is a posted opinion, I don't know how much stock to put in what is being said, but this is what I have intuitively believed.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Where this is a posted opinion, I don't know how much stock to put in what is being said, but this is what I have intuitively believed.

The Chinese doctor died who was the whistleblower while China was trying to cover this up back in January/Feb. He was in his 30s and from all indications was healthy. The theory is the constant exposure to the virus killed him.

[SeattleUte]

Where this is a posted opinion, I don't know how much stock to put in what is being said, but this is what I have intuitively believed.

I don't know why it's in the opinion section. It cites all kinds of studies. In the Times there's not much real difference anymore between opinion and news . It depends on what they want to highlight, up front.

[Joe Public]

Where this is a posted opinion, I don't know how much stock to put in what is being said, but this is what I have intuitively believed.

The Chinese doctor died who was the whistleblower while China was trying to cover this up back in January/Feb. He was in his 30s and from all indications was healthy. The theory is the constant exposure to the virus killed him.

What would that mean from a standpoint of relapse, sufficiency of antibody protection, etc.?

[Omaha 680]

*sigh* we aren't going to play college football this year, are we?

[Paperback Writer]

*sigh* we aren't going to play college football this year, are we?

I'm hoping for a conference only schedule. That may happen but odds are against it. And for BYU, that is obviously problematic.