At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[wapiti]

The Chinese doctor died who was the whistleblower while China was trying to cover this up back in January/Feb. He was in his 30s and from all indications was healthy. The theory is the CCP killed him.

FIFY

[SCcoug]

*sigh* we aren't going to play college football this year, are we?

The wreckage from missing the NCAA tournament and a full FBS season will be devastating financially for most athletic programs and networks. An entire recruiting class across all sports could be wiped out.

[SeattleUte]

Mass transit may explain why New York is 9-10 times worse than California.

[wapiti]

The wreckage from missing the NCAA tournament and a full FBS season will be devastating financially for most athletic programs and networks. An entire recruiting class across all sports could be wiped out.

The financial devastation will be far and wide. The cost of freedom I guess.

[Omaha 680]

Mass transit may explain why New York is 9-10 times worse than New York.

Of course it does. Which is why I would not be surprised at all if I had it in February. Give me the antibody test!

[Uncle Ted]

Surprised to hear that Idaho has been hit so hard - especially Sun Valley area.

It is all those damn millionaires, flying into Sun Valley with their fancy private jet planes... Those people are sick!

This Pandemic Is Not Your Vacation


You might not want to spend your quarantine in a city. But the rural places many Americans treat as playgrounds, and the workers who keep them running, will suffer for it.


“Wealth is the vector.” That’s what sociologist Tressie McMillan Cottom tweeted last week, in reference to the spread of COVID-19 across both the globe and the United States. Wealth is not the cause of every concentrated outbreak dotting the United States. But it’s the common denominator of so much of its spread outside of major urban areas. It’s the reason why so many of the coronavirus hot spots in the Mountain West — Sun Valley, Idaho; Gunnison County, Colorado; Summit County, Utah; Gallatin County, Montana — overlap with winter playgrounds for the wealthy. The virus travels via people, and the people who travel the most, both domestically and internationally, are rich people.
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In Idaho’s Blaine County, home to Sun Valley, more than half of the residential properties are second homes or rental properties, and more than 30,000 people fly into the regional airport during ski season alone. As of March 31, 187 people in the county of 22,000 have tested positive, including local emergency room physician Brent Russell. Two people have died. The town’s small hospital has two ICU beds and a single ventilator.
[...]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/coronavirus-covid-cities-second-homes-rural-small-towns

For a county that most likely takes in a sh*t ton of property tax from 2nd home owners and gets 30,000 extra people during ski season you would think the town's hospital would have more than two ICU beds and a shared ventilator. The folks running Sun Valley are dumb.

[SeattleUte]

Of course it does. Which is why I would not be surprised at all if I had it in February. Give me the antibody test!

Meant to say 9-10 worse than California.

[wapiti]

Of course it does. Which is why I would not be surprised at all if I had it in February. Give me the antibody test!

I would be thrilled to find out that I had it already.

[swampfrog]

Be like Singapore it was said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...?sref=vuYGislZ

Singapore’s tougher moves signal its current approach -- relying on contact tracing, strict containment measures such as shutting bars, and quarantine -- is no longer tenable. While more than 160 countries have already shut schools, the city-state was one of a handful that did not do so, citing early research that children are not as affected as adults.

Lawrence Wong, minister for national development who co-chairs a task force to fight the virus, said in a press conference the increase in the number of local and unlinked coronavirus cases are “very, very worrying trends.”

[wapiti]

Meant to say 9-10 worse than California.

It's why we can't let what's happened in NY drive policy in places that look nothing like NY.

[Paperback Writer]

It is all those damn millionaires, flying into Sun Valley with their fancy private jet planes... Those people are sick!

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/coronavirus-covid-cities-second-homes-rural-small-towns

For a county that most likely takes in a sh*t ton of property tax from 2nd home owners and gets 30,000 extra people during ski season you would think the town's hospital would have more than two ICU beds and a shared ventilator. The folks running Sun Valley are dumb.

You probably already know this, but much of the property tax windfall goes to maintaining local infrastructure for the visiting rich. The wealthy expect a certain standard. And if one is unfortunate enough to find oneself in the ICU of the local hospital, one of the first questions asked is when will the patient be transferred to a "real" hospital. Sun Valley is no different than other ski towns across Colorado, Utah and other places. They are not equipped to deal with COVID19.

[Uncle Ted]

You probably already know this, but much of the property tax windfall goes to maintaining local infrastructure for the visiting rich. The wealthy expect a certain standard. And if one is unfortunate enough to find oneself in the ICU of the local hospital, one of the first questions asked is when will the patient be transferred to a "real" hospital. Sun Valley is no different than other ski towns across Colorado, Utah and other places. They are not equipped to deal with COVID19.

Yeah, if the rich gets the flu while skiing in Sun Valley they would just hop on their private jet and go to a "real" hospital.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Has anyone linked this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/o...e=articleShare

It may be the most important article on Covid-19 that I've read--published on Wednesday in the NY Times opinion section.

Symptoms even death may depend on dosage load. If someone with Covid-19 sits next to you breathing maybe you should kill them in self defense (just kidding). The virus spreads through the air, which makes it so contagious. So while sitting next to someone infected on a subway for an hour may be extremely harmful even fatal depending on your vulnerability, someone infecting you by handing you a cup of coffee with no other interaction may be good because your infection may be asymptomatic and develop an immunity.

Masks do help. The government and media's statements that they don't help was a big lie. Masks don't need to be disposable medical masks. Use a balaclava.

Understanding this is super important for reactivating the economy. Anyone on mass transit needs to wear a mask, for example. There are various activities we can do while avoiding the type of close and prolonged interaction that would lead to a high dose of the virus. Spectator sports is out, but a round of golf can be safe and healthy. No work meetings (yay!) but we should be able to go to work if we can make safe space.

This should have guided public policy from the beginning. Instead, they lied about masks and just shut down everything. Even touching some virus on a counter is as bad as can be, we've been led to believe.

All governments and the media have been terrible.

Excellent article. I found this one to be very good also:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/safety-advice-if-you-must-visit-the-grocery-store-11585336520?mod=wsjtwittertest19

Similar to the NYT article, it emphasizes that COVID is a respiratory virus so the main thing is to avoid breathing it in. Interestingly, ingesting it with food might not give you an infection because it unlikely to go in your lungs. Greatest danger of surface contact it touching your nose where it then gets inhaled.

[SeattleUte]

Washington Post: Experts say the models are unreliable and not useful for policy making:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/02/experts-trumps-advisers-doubt-white-houses-240000-coronavirus-deaths-estimate/

[Jeff Lebowski]

Washington Post: Experts say the models are unreliable and not useful for policy making:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...aths-estimate/

Ha. That is NOT what the article says. Models are extremely valuable when used properly and are an essential part of planning. Trump administration is too dumb to use them properly.

The primary goal of such models amid an outbreak is to allow authorities to game out scenarios, foresee challenges and create a coherent, long-term strategy — something some experts worry doesn’t exist within the White House.

“I wish there were more of a concerted national plan. I wish it had started a month and a half ago, maybe two months ago,” Shaman said.

Natalie Dean, a biostatistician who was not involved in the White House effort but is working on coronavirus vaccine evaluation with the World Health Organization, pointed out that “the whole reason you create models is to help you make decisions. But you have to actually act on those projections and answers. Otherwise, the models are useless.”