War with Iran - DEFCON 3

[dabrockster]

I guess no one understood what I was saying here. Because that is the opposite of my point.

I got your point but completely disagree with it and no amusing or any attempt to correlate it to the situation in Iran was bad form. There really is not correlation that makes it even remotely comparable or similar. Period. So no. I think it was a shit comparison to try and place me being inconsistent in what I will will or will not accept as legal protesting.

Let me know when we are shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And if you even try to state what happened last week in Minn. in that category. You are just as delusional as Allen.

And to say we don’t have that here. Allen is a prime example of that. I mean come on. You can’t be that entrenched in some “philosophical” conversation in this.

[falafel]

I got your point but completely disagree with it and no amusing or any attempt to correlate it to the situation in Iran was bad form. There really is not correlation that makes it even remotely comparable or similar. Period. So no. I think it was a shit comparison to try and place me being inconsistent in what I will will or will not accept as legal protesting.

Let me know when we are shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And if you even try to state what happened last week in Minn. in that category. You are just as delusional as Allen.

And to say we don’t have that here. Allen is a prime example of that. I mean come on. You can’t be that entrenched in some “philosophical” conversation in this.

blah blah blah. If you got my point you would have responded to it. Instead you just kept arguing your own point. Your comments like "they are nothing alike!" alone are unconvincing. You are arguing against a bogeyman of your own creation. Or, as JL likes to state, "nice strawman".

[LVAllen]

I got your point but completely disagree with it and no amusing or any attempt to correlate it to the situation in Iran was bad form. There really is not correlation that makes it even remotely comparable or similar. Period. So no. I think it was a shit comparison to try and place me being inconsistent in what I will will or will not accept as legal protesting.

Let me know when we are shooting indiscriminately into crowds. And if you even try to state what happened last week in Minn. in that category. You are just as delusional as Allen.

And to say we don’t have that here. Allen is a prime example of that. I mean come on. You can’t be that entrenched in some “philosophical” conversation in this.

Yo Brock.

Kindly go fuck yourself.

There is a comparison to be made. That ChatGPT hasn't helped you figure it out doesn't matter in the least to me. If violent protests are ever permissible, than there exists a line of demarcation at which the rationale for resorting to violence crosses from being unacceptable to being justifiable. See, for example, the Declaration of Independence:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government."

You believe the Iranian people have reached that point and that violent protests and revolution are okay. That's fine. I don't know that they are seeking liberty as much as cheaper cost of living, but it's their decision and their evaluation of their circumstances that matter, not mine. It's up to them to decide where the point is at which the long train of abuses must come to an end, and what the new Guards look like. You believe that the US has not reached that point. That's a perfectly valid viewpoint, held by most, including me. But to say that all protests in the US that result in violence are illegimate is just, to use your favorite word, obtuse. First, because it ignores the possibility of repressed societies doing what societies tend to do when oppressed. See, e.g. the Stonewall riots or the 1838 Mormon War. Hell, if 40 years of state sanctioned torture, murder, rape, and suppression was your personal line, I suspect that violence during the Civil Rights protests would have been valid. Second, because it assumes without justification that the protests become violent because the protesters caused the violence. Given that you are unwilling to accept the Iranian government's claim that these are really just foreign-sponsored terrorists, I find it remarkable that you're just so willing to accept the Trump administration's self-serving claims to cover up their own violence. It's not as if there's video of CBP attacking people without provocation or justification. Or demanding identification from someone purely because of their race. It's not as if 17 year old citizens with their passport in their pocket have been taken from their retail jobs, transported multiple miles away, attacked, and left bleeding on the street. Or maybe it's not so remarkable after all.

The funny thing is that the Iranian government takes your position. They say that they are willing to talk with protesters, but not rioters. Because the rioters are illegitimate.

[Jeff Lebowski]

You guys need to back away from the keyboard and go touch some grass or something. Yikes.

[falafel]

Touch grass is such a dumb Gen-whatever phrase. Also, telling someone to calm down when they are discussing something important to them seems fairly pedantic. Taking a page from others here, if this discussion isn't your cup of tea, you are free to not drink it.

[The_Tick]

Touch grass is such a dumb Gen-whatever phrase. Also, telling someone to calm down when they are discussing something important to them seems fairly pedantic. Taking a page from others here, if this discussion isn't your cup of tea, you are free to not drink it.

I like the phrase "why don't you two take it to boardmail...."

[Jeff Lebowski]

Touch grass is such a dumb Gen-whatever phrase. Also, telling someone to calm down when they are discussing something important to them seems fairly pedantic. Taking a page from others here, if this discussion isn't your cup of tea, you are free to not drink it.

Oh yeah? Go eff yourself!!

[Shaka]

Now it's getting salty!

[BigPiney]

Oh yeah? Go eff yourself!!

I hope some dogs die!!!

[LVAllen]

I hope some dogs die!!!

Okay, I laughed.

[falafel]

I like the phrase "why don't you two take it to boardmail...."

Lol, I was thinking that someone might say that (hell, I've said it).

[falafel]

Oh yeah? Go eff yourself!!

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here’s a live look at the CougarStadium political forum. I am the dude in the red jacket at the end taking a haymaker from falafel.

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[myboynoah]

lol

[chrisrenrut]

Oh yeah? Go eff yourself!!

Golly! At least LVAllen invited DaB to “kindly” do that.