Violence by White Supremicists on the rise

[BlueK]

just a few harmless pranksters lighting trash cans on fire...

[Uncle Ted]

You're not "wondering" anything. I'm pretty sure you're doing this:

No, I have no problem believing that McVeigh was a white supremacist and that he was very violent. I am just trying understand if the title and assertion of this thread is true: "violence by white suprem[a]cists [is] on the rise". It seems like it peaked in 1995.

[frank ryan]

You're not "wondering" anything. I'm pretty sure you're doing this:

Right, it shouldn’t be a controversial issue.

[swampfrog]

No, I have no problem believing that McVeigh was a white supremacist and that he was very violent. I am just trying understand if the title and assertion of this thread is true: "violence by white suprem[a]cists [is] on the rise". It seems like it peaked in 1995.

I found this very interesting as Sam Harris asks Kathleen Belew some of these difficult questions about just how much of a problem white supremacy is currently in the country. They also go through the exercise of trying to define the terms around white supremacy/nationalism/racism/power etc. She lays out the connection between white power and McVeigh and gives her assessment as to how prevalent that movement is today. I found it pretty informative.

Kathleen Belew:

Kathleen Belew is a historian and the author of Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America. She is currently an Assistant Professor of History at the University of Chicago and a Fellow at the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, Stanford University. Kathleen specializes in the recent history of the United States, examining the long aftermath of warfare.

She also recently testified before congress opposite Candace Owens.

[Uncle Ted]

Further evidence of violence by white supremacists "Nazi Scum"...

OMG, did you see her hit that kid with her walker?

[Eddie]

Further evidence of violence by white supremacists "Nazi Scum"...

OMG, did you see her hit that kid with her walker?

I don't get it. She's yelling at the lady to get off the street. But then she's getting in the way of her so that she can't go anywhere. How is she supposed to get off the street?
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I think white supremacists are a problem. I think that many of them incite violence. I would prefer that they go away. It feels to me like they've been somewhat emboldened by Trump's election. It also feels like there is a lot of stuff going on right now that could lead to growth in their numbers from people who weren't hard core in the past. Kind of like I feel like a lot of Trump supporters became such as a response to anger and frustration surrounding politics, it wouldn't surprise me if some of the growth of white supremacist groups is a byproduct of social justice activists wanting to tear down old statues and "change history" in the minds of some folks.

So - while there's been some back and forth that seems to be pretty silly here regarding some of the semantics of all of this - I am curious about the prevalence of white supremacist violence as well as what that has looked like historically and what the trends are today. Any research on that? How do they quantify it? Number of assaults? Number of deaths? Number of incidents versus number of people harmed? I also think it's got to be extremely difficult to ascertain at times what was "normal" violence between a White person and a Black person, and when those incidents are racially motivated. Is it on the first page and I just need to go re-read this thread?

[swampfrog]

I don't get it. She's yelling at the lady to get off the street. But then she's getting in the way of her so that she can't go anywhere. How is she supposed to get off the street?
______________________

I think white supremacists are a problem. I think that many of them incite violence. I would prefer that they go away. It feels to me like they've been somewhat emboldened by Trump's election. It also feels like there is a lot of stuff going on right now that could lead to growth in their numbers from people who weren't hard core in the past. Kind of like I feel like a lot of Trump supporters became such as a response to anger and frustration surrounding politics, it wouldn't surprise me if some of the growth of white supremacist groups is a byproduct of social justice activists wanting to tear down old statues and "change history" in the minds of some folks.

So - while there's been some back and forth that seems to be pretty silly here regarding some of the semantics of all of this - I am curious about the prevalence of white supremacist violence as well as what that has looked like historically and what the trends are today. Any research on that? How do they quantify it? Number of assaults? Number of deaths? Number of incidents versus number of people harmed? I also think it's got to be extremely difficult to ascertain at times what was "normal" violence between a White person and a Black person, and when those incidents are racially motivated. Is it on the first page and I just need to go re-read this thread?

Watch/listen to the Sam Harris podcast with Kathleen Belew that I posted earlier. Sam has exactly the same questions.

[swampfrog]

...it wouldn't surprise me if some of the growth of white supremacist groups is a byproduct of social justice activists wanting to tear down old statues and "change history" in the minds of some folks.

I suspect this is correct. Here's an example of how Social Justice/Critical Theory is making inroads. It's not constrained to woke universities anymore. Math is oppressing persons of color. See how "smuggling Jesus" works in the new woke religion. Some of this document is valid critique, some of it is pure "smuggled" religious tropes masquerading as valid scholarship.

https://www.k12.wa.us/sites/default/...0Framework.pdf

"Power and oppression, as defined by ethnic studies, are the ways in which individuals and groups define mathematical knowledge so as to see “Western” mathematics as the only legitimate expression of mathematical identity and intelligence. This definition of legitimacy is then used to disenfranchise people and communities of color. This erases the historical contributions of people and communities of color."

SWBAT analyze the ways in which ancient mathematical knowledge has been appropriated by Western culture.

Note the thinly veiled invoking of "Western culture" as evil and oppressive, and not just in the past but currently:

SWBAT identify how math has been and continues to be used to oppress and marginalize people and communities of color.

A few other gems (there are many):

Why/how does data-driven processes prevent liberation?

Who gets to say if an answer is right?

How can we change mathematics from individualistic to collectivist thinking?

[Commando]

So OKC wasn't a white supremacist attack because homeland security hadn't starting to keep track of white supremacist violence yet?

ACTUALLY.... DHS didn't even exist back then.

[BlueK]

ACTUALLY.... DHS didn't even exist back then.

Right. It was one of the Bush era overreactions to 9/11, like the Iraq War, warrantless domestic spying, etc.

[falafel]

ACTUALLY.... DHS didn't even exist back then.

Which means it hadn't started to keep track of white supremacist violence yet.

[frank ryan]

The White Supremacist Charged With Plotting To Blow Up A Colorado Temple Documented His Racist Activities On Facebook For Years

The 27-year-old white supremacist charged with a federal hate crime for allegedly plotting to bomb a Colorado synagogue had been known to law enforcement for years due to his frequent, neo-Nazi postings on Facebook, including a video of himself urinating on a California temple.

Federal authorities arrested Richard Holzer on Friday after he met with undercover FBI agents believing he would obtain explosives to bomb the Temple Emanuel Synagogue in the southern Colorado city of Pueblo. According to court documents, the suspect called the plan his “mountain” and referred to Jews and the synagogue as a “cancer."


At a press conference Monday, authorities detailed how Holzer repeatedly expressed his hatred of Jews and, using multiple Facebook accounts, posted pictures of himself in neo-Nazi garb and blatantly advocated for racially motivated violence.

In a blog post on Tuesday, the Anti-Defamation League reported that its Center on Extremism had been aware of Holzer's online activities for years and had "shared information with law enforcement on several occasions ... citing concerns he might be dangerous."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ifornia-temple

[frank ryan]

I doubt he's the only one.


ICE Detention Center Captain Was on a Neo-Nazi Website and Wanted to Start a White Nationalist Group
“Deep down, no one really gives a shit about racism,” Travis Frey, who was then a senior employee at an Indianapolis jail, wrote on Iron March.

A senior employee at a for-profit immigrant detention center in Nevada was active on the neo-Nazi site Iron March and aspired to establish a white nationalist chapter in his area.

Travis Frey, 31, is currently employed as a captain at the Nevada Southern Detention Center, which is run by private prison behemoth CoreCivic and contracted with ICE.

Frey joined Iron March in 2013, and posted at least a dozen times between 2016 and 2017 while he was working as head of security at a CoreCivic jail in Indianapolis, which was also authorized to house detainees on behalf of ICE.

The archives of the now-defunct website were leaked online in November, offering a glimpse into the early organizational efforts driving the modern, international white nationalist movement. The foundations of violent neo-Nazi groups such as Atomwaffen were established in Iron March chats, and white nationalist leaders like Matthew Heimbach have said they were radicalized by the time they spent on the site.

On Iron March, Frey used the screen name “In Hoc Signo Vinces,” a Latin phrase that’s used by military outfits around the world, and by universities, and was the title of the American Nazi Party’s manifesto. VICE News was able to identify Frey, who served in the Marines between 2006 and 2008, through some of the personal information he provided on Iron March, including his personal email address, phone number, birthday, and place of residence at the time he was writing on Iron March (which was Carmel, Indiana).

In one post from November 2016, Frey wrote that “any ‘man’ who gets that upset about ‘virulent racism’ couldn’t knock out a tooth even if I tied my hands behind my back.”

“Deep down no one really gives a shit about racism,” Frey wrote. “This is just empty signaling from this faggot.” (It’s unclear what or who he’s referring to.)

In another post that month, he wrote that he’s long believed that the “heads of world governments and the entertainment industry are under Satanic influences.”

“Dark, dark shit goes on in the corridors of power and these rats need to be purged from their nests,” Frey wrote.

Frey’s participation on Iron March and self-identification as a “fascist” in his profile raises questions about his tenure while holding a position of authority over the lives of vulnerable populations, including migrants, who are often people of color.

Allegations of racism have long plagued correctional institutions across the country, from guards appearing in mock Klan attire in at least six states in the late 1990s, to employees associating with extremist groups online. Just last week, West Virginia’s governor announced that he’d fired over 30 corrections officer trainees for performing a Nazi salute in a group photograph.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y...ionalist-group

[BigFatMeanie]

I doubt he’s the only one.

You’re probably right that he’s not the only one. But I’m probably right that there are fewer than you think there are.

[Non Sequitur]

You’re probably right that he’s not the only one. But I’m probably right that there are fewer than you think there are.

Travis Frey hits the nail on the head when he says "Deep down nobody gives a shit about racism". More disturbing than the quantified rise in the number of hate groups in America, is the indifference of so many on the right to their white supremacist/neo-nazi fellow constituents.