Violence by White Supremicists on the rise

[PaloAltoCougar]

Not necessarily the right thread for this, but I found this NYT opinion piece about militias very interesting. I hadn't thought much about the illegality of private militias and the potential threat they pose to public safety, but recent events (the Whitmer kidnapping plot, Kenosha, etc.) heighten my concerns about the aftermath of a Trump defeat in less than four weeks () I'm not worried about civil war, or a nationwide insurrection, but there may be a few isolated incidents of armed idiocy.

[Bo Diddley]

Not necessarily the right thread for this, but I found this NYT opinion piece about militias very interesting. I hadn't thought much about the illegality of private militias and the potential threat they pose to public safety, but recent events (the Whitmer kidnapping plot, Kenosha, etc.) heighten my concerns about the aftermath of a Trump defeat in less than four weeks () I'm not worried about civil war, or a nationwide insurrection, but there may be a few isolated incidents of armed idiocy.

Wannabes and worse. The well regulated militia may have to be called in to clear them out. In Utah, we've got a battalion of Apaches to handle things. Or maybe a more surgical special forces operation is called for.

[old_gregg]

Wannabes and worse. The well regulated militia may have to be called in to clear them out. In Utah, we've got a battalion of Apaches to handle things. Or maybe a more surgical special forces operation is called for.

those delta force guys don't stand a chance against the militias of 50 year old type ii diabetics with gucci daniel defense rifles and plate carriers that barely cover their sweaty tits

[frank ryan]

Not necessarily the right thread for this, but I found this NYT opinion piece about militias very interesting. I hadn't thought much about the illegality of private militias and the potential threat they pose to public safety, but recent events (the Whitmer kidnapping plot, Kenosha, etc.) heighten my concerns about the aftermath of a Trump defeat in less than four weeks () I'm not worried about civil war, or a nationwide insurrection, but there may be a few isolated incidents of armed idiocy.

I enjoy making fun of these people too, but they do hatch plots and sometimes carry them out. See Ammon Bundy merry band of righteous cowboys. Meanwhile Trump and the right fixated on the largely mythical threat of Antifa.

[Non Sequitur]

I enjoy making fun of these people too, but they do hatch plots and sometimes carry them out. See Ammon Bundy merry band of righteous cowboys. Meanwhile Trump and the right fixated on the largely mythical threat of Antifa.

You read the details of what the group was planning and it's chilling. Thank goodness the FBI is good at what they do. I don't expect Trump to denounce the terrorists who were hatching the plot, because I hear they like him.

[wapiti]

I enjoy making fun of these people too, but they do hatch plots and sometimes carry them out. See Ammon Bundy merry band of righteous cowboys. Meanwhile Trump and the right fixated on the largely mythical threat of Antifa.

Were those largely mythical fires that burned in leftist riots across America all summer?

[Non Sequitur]

Were those largely mythical fires that burned in leftist riots across America all summer?

I don't condone rioting, but are you seriously trying to equate setting fires to storming a state capitol and taking a governor hostage? I'm certain that if a debate moderator asked Joe Biden to condemn antifa, it would take him less than a second to so. Whatever Biden's faults, he would never give a wink and nod to antifa and tell them to stand by.

[wapiti]

I don't condone rioting, but are you seriously trying to equate setting fires to storming a state capitol and taking a governor hostage? I'm certain that if a debate moderator asked Joe Biden to condemn antifa, it would take him less than a second to so. Whatever Biden's faults, he would never give a wink and nod to antifa and tell them to stand by.

6 guys plotted to storm the capital and take the governor hostage. They were discovered and arrested by the FBI. Thousands of leftist criminals burned hundreds of businesses across the nations causing billions in damage. The left, and specifically Biden, didn't condemn the violence for many days. Amusing that you would say Biden would never give a wink and a nod to Antifa. That's basically what the entire left did after the Floyd video surfaced.

They are both awful. But one was a weak plot by a few dumbasses that was never going to happen. The other actually left the lives of thousands of people in ruins. So yeah, I have no problem comparing the two.

[old_gregg]

those darn leftist criminals

[frank ryan]

Were those largely mythical fires that burned in leftist riots across America all summer?

Social unrest because racism and police brutality is not the same as these would Oklahoma City bombers. I don’t condone property destruction, stating that the rioting was done an organized horde of “leftists” in large numbers is silly.

As for Anarchists they can’t the Democratic Party. They are not agents of Biden/

If Antifa is such this scary mythical entity why have you never heard of them before Charlottesville? They aren’t new.

[smokymountainrain]

I don't condone rioting, but are you seriously trying to equate setting fires to storming a state capitol and taking a governor hostage? I'm certain that if a debate moderator asked Joe Biden to condemn antifa, it would take him less than a second to so. Whatever Biden's faults, he would never give a wink and nod to antifa and tell them to stand by.

dude, they are both pretty bad. also, on the Biden thing - i'd like to see that actually. i'm not convinced he'd condemn them.

[Uncle Ted]

dude, they are both pretty bad. also, on the Biden thing - i'd like to see that actually. i'm not convinced he'd condemn them.

Why Didn’t Biden Condemn Antifa and Bernie Sanders?
Not since George McGovern has a Democrat presidential nominee been so welcoming of extremist allies.

In Tuesday night’s presidential debate in Cleveland, former Vice President Joe Biden said that violence is never “appropriate” but he did not condemn people who have been perpetrating it in cities across America. Taking the opportunity to address directly the antifa movement, Mr. Biden simply described its lack of centralized structure.
[...]
Could Mr. Biden possibly be unaware of the street violence in U.S. cities inflicted for months by leftist radicals? Antifa is not the only really bad idea. Similar groups go by different names and Mr. Biden didn’t choose to condemn any of them.
[...]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-did...rs-11601586778

I don't understand how folks can say that Drumpf has never denounced white supremacy...

LOL@Biden.

[Uncle Ted]

those darn leftist criminals

Yeah, let me guess on how this is all going to end...

[Eddie]

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...t-in-extremism

“My Justice Department and Federal Law Enforcement announced today that they foiled a dangerous plot against the Governor of Michigan,” he posted. “Rather than say thank you, she calls me a White Supremacist—while Biden and Democrats refuse to condemn Antifa, Anarchists, Looters and Mobs that burn down Democrat run cities.”

“I do not tolerate ANY extreme violence. Defending ALL Americans, even those who oppose and attack me, is what I will always do as your President!” he added.

In typical Trump fashion, he went on to call her names and tell everyone what a horrible job she has done as governor and with COVID. But I would take this as Trump condemning the plot - and violence, actually. (I'm not sure why he put the "extreme" qualifier on violence. I'm sure some here will tell us that it means he's OK with battery and assault and signaling white supremacists and militias that it's OK to attack but not kill people. Seems dumb, but whatever.)

[old_gregg]

But I would take this as Trump condemning the plot - and violence, actually.

you could alternatively just take it as the words he said