Violence by White Supremicists on the rise

[dabrockster]

I honestly have no idea what you are saying, and don't want to assume.

Why is it hard to connect the dots here? Is it really that hard to understand a person with conservative values stands up for things would get lumped in with the left’s desire to label that person a racist? DEI is a prime example. I supper value-based performance and hiring. And have seen the DEI initiative run rampant even in a state that is GOP-dominated.

[dabrockster]

I agree that funding political events has a purpose and that people are going to fund the ideas and parties they believe in. It would seem pretty bizarre if they didn't operate that way. Is your opinion that billionaires shouldn't fund political causes?

Yes. When SCOTUS rules in favor of PACs and Super PACs to have free reign. It was the beginning of puppet-politicians.

[dabrockster]

Two thoughts:

1- is there a reputable source documenting all of this spending by Soros? All I have seen is rumor and innuendo

1- If Soros spent over 18 Billion and we still ended up with Trump and his ilk in power, he’s pretty ineffective with his spending. Doesn’t see like someone the Right needs to be too worried about about.

1. Really. Come on. This is not even remotely refuted by most liberals/left.

2. You can thanks Biden and an inept Kamal for what transpired there. No amount of money was going to change the last second transition and a bumbling word-salad Kamala to get her into office.

[Donuthole]

Why is it hard to connect the dots here? Is it really that hard to understand a person with conservative values stands up for things would get lumped in with the left’s desire to label that person a racist? DEI is a prime example. I supper value-based performance and hiring. And have seen the DEI initiative run rampant even in a state that is GOP-dominated.

Brock, he was being nice. Your stream of consciousness posting is tough to wade through and difficult to understand. You write in phrases, not in complete sentences. And these phrases make sense to you, but they don't make sense to those reading them. I'm being sincere here. Slow down and write out fully-formulated thoughts (and lay off the pronouns an the vague non-substitutes like "that" and "those" when it's not clear what that and those mean) and you'll probably get some more engagement.

[falafel]

Yes. When SCOTUS rules in favor of PACs and Super PACs to have free reign. It was the beginning of puppet-politicians.

I am not a fan of Citizens United either. It might take a Constitutional Amendment to get rid of it.

[falafel]

1. Really. Come on. This is not even remotely refuted by most liberals/left.

2. You can thanks Biden and an inept Kamal for what transpired there. No amount of money was going to change the last second transition and a bumbling word-salad Kamala to get her into office.

I am not on the left. I don't know anything about Soros' funding other than what someone else described as him being invoked as the right's boogeyman. Do you have a source for some of these donations/figures? I know that I can "find it myself" as people like to sometimes say when pressed a bit on a source. I just thought I would give you the chance to cite sources you like and trust rather than me deciding which sources might be most reliable.

[tooblue]

I am not on the left. I don't know anything about Soros' funding other than what someone else described as him being invoked as the right's boogeyman. Do you have a source for some of these donations/figures? I know that I can "find it myself" as people like to sometimes say when pressed a bit on a source. I just thought I would give you the chance to cite sources you like and trust rather than me deciding which sources might be most reliable.

Fact check: False claims about George Soros

https://www.reuters.com/article/worl...idUSKBN23P2X7/

Why is billionaire George Soros a bogeyman for the hard right?

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-49584157

[chrisrenrut]

1. Really. Come on. This is not even remotely refuted by most liberals/left.

2. You can thanks Biden and an inept Kamal for what transpired there. No amount of money was going to change the last second transition and a bumbling word-salad Kamala to get her into office.

1- So I’ll take that as a hard No. Again, rumor and innuendo.

2- you really don’t think $18 Billion would buy enough influence millions of votes? Musk came in with, what, $300 Million at the last minute and is credited with swinging the vote for Trump.

[falafel]

Fact check: False claims about George Soros

https://www.reuters.com/article/worl...idUSKBN23P2X7/

Why is billionaire George Soros a bogeyman for the hard right?

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-49584157

Thanks. I will note that the reuters article is from 2020. It is possible that Soros bought ANTIFA and BLM since then. I remember when ANTIFA was put on the market.

[frank ryan]

I honestly don't know if membership in white supremacist organizations is on the rise but logic dictates that white supremacist organizations gain more acceptance in a climate where white supremacist ideals are acceptable. When the GOP leadership says in Charlottesville that there are good people on both sides and that the Proud Boys should stand by and stand down it emboldens these organizations and people are more likely to align with said organizations. If the GOP doesn't want to be associated with white supremacists then maybe just once they could say that these organizations represent the worst of our society instead of embracing them. How about distancing yourself from them rather than say and do things that cause them to cheer you on.

There isn't a white supremacist/GOP ven diagram with intersecting circles because the smaller white supremacists circle is entirely inside the larger GOP circle. SJBH

You have organizers of Unite the Right rally is one of the most important voices on the right. We've often had his tweets reposted here.

He wrote a book, which had as its central thesis rendering political opponents as "things." It's called "Unhumans" and it deserved condemnation not a forward from Vance.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...-trump/684666/


There are ways to tell if fascism and white supremacy is on the rise, crimes, internet traffic, sometimes organizational growth.

I've found it curious that some folks almost think we have some sort of immunity from right-wing fascistic totalitarianism, and feel that way against the back drop of hundreds coup attempters (some violent) being pardoned and lionized by our President.

What on earth is this constant babbling about "Christian Nationalism" supposed to mean? It's sure not something Salt Lake is about. Christianity is inherently anti-nationalist or maybe better framed as universal.

Christian Nationalism is also anti-free agency.


Project 2025 isn't some paranoid dark fantasy, it's being actualized and it's been damn effective.

[tooblue]

Thanks. I will note that the reuters article is from 2020. It is possible that Soros bought ANTIFA and BLM since then. I remember when ANTIFA was put on the market.

Was it listed on the NYSE or Nasdaq?

[myboynoah]

Why is it hard to connect the dots here? Is it really that hard to understand a person with conservative values stands up for things would get lumped in with the left’s desire to label that person a racist? DEI is a prime example. I supper value-based performance and hiring. And have seen the DEI initiative run rampant even in a state that is GOP-dominated.

Again, I don't understand how someone can be shamed by others exposing and discussing horrible thinking and behavior. I have conservative values and promote and have practiced performance-based hiring and rewards in employment. I also recognize our nation's very horrible history with race and see our diversity as one of our greatest assets. So I don't see a problem with discussing and condemning race-based or religion-supremacy movements and activities, especially when it escalates to violence. I certainly won't be shamed by such a thing being exposed and condemned, even if I share the race or religion of the perpetrators.

[SteelBlue]

I don't think white supremacy is on the rise. I think it's just another term that has been appropriated by some loud folks on the left to describe any caucasian that does something they do not like. Nazi and fascists are also good examples of this kind of appropriation.

The topic is "violence by White Supremacists on the rise." There is significant data from government and non-partisan agencies that backs this up.

[USUC]

This topic is muddied by the bastardization of terms by the colonization/critical theory obsessed portions of the left. White supremecy is 100% a real thing. Nick Fuentes and people like him are self described white supremacists. They have been welcomed, or at least tolerated, by the douchebag right peppered throughout MAGA. Violence perpetrated by this group of people has no doubt increased, but it is an incredibly small percentage of violence. It's not something to be brushed aside though. The Charleston and Pittsburgh shooters were unrepentant white supremacists.

But the current notion, popular among the left, is that whiteness itself is white supremacy and therefor every act that is viewed as not being in complete solidarity with their cause is violence.

[bluegoose]

But the current notion, popular among the left, is that whiteness itself is white supremacy and therefor every act of that is viewed as not being in complete solidarity with their cause is violence.

Say what?