Violence by White Supremicists on the rise

[USUC]

Say what?

White supremacy from the perspective of critical race theory is anything that doesn't agree with their philosophy. There is also a strong belief that words are violence. My description is poorly worded but it's also an incoherent philosophy.

[dabrockster]

Again, I don't understand how someone can be shamed by others exposing and discussing horrible thinking and behavior. I have conservative values and promote and have practiced performance-based hiring and rewards in employment. I also recognize our nation's very horrible history with race and see our diversity as one of our greatest assets. So I don't see a problem with discussing and condemning race-based or religion-supremacy movements and activities, especially when it escalates to violence. I certainly won't be shamed by such a thing being exposed and condemned, even if I share the race or religion of the perpetrators.

I have no issue with what you are stating here when it comes to racist comments and like you share the same disgust.

But in my world, I face more scrutiny when I provide similar topics against current DEI practices. I have silently listened to those I know who are liberal throw out some pretty heavy opinions on areas that should not cause such an issue. The main issue. They have no desire to find common ground and are filled with some pretty disgusted feelings towards those who are conservative.

This is also knowing I am a conservative. They still do not hold back. Due to the number of people I have interacted with, I see this as the norm and not the outlier.

[SteelBlue]

White supremacy from the perspective of critical race theory is anything that doesn't agree with their philosophy.

Look, I don't pretend to know anything about critical race theory, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that people who are experts would tell me this is bullshit.

[bluegoose]

White supremacy from the perspective of critical race theory is anything that doesn't agree with their philosophy. There is also a strong belief that words are violence. My description is poorly worded but it's also an incoherent philosophy.

Based on that statement, I'm not sure you and I would agree upon a definition of critical race theory. At least from an academic standpoint. Your description seems more of a news media description of CRT. Or just a commentary on race relations in general. CRT attempts to describe systemic biases that have been present in our society which have created and maintained racial inequality over the years.

[USUC]

Based on that statement, I'm not sure you and I would agree upon a definition of critical race theory. At least from an academic standpoint. Your description seems more of a news media description of CRT. Or just a commentary on race relations in general. CRT attempts to describe systemic biases that have been present in our society which have created and maintained racial inequality over the years.

I had the good fortune of studying critical theory in my grad program. It is most certainly true that academics approach critical theory in a way that most of the activists who invoke it don't. Activists use it as a blunt instrument. The activist understanding is what I describe here.

That being said, critical theory in all its forms (critical race theory, gender studies, post colonial studies, queen theory) is not an empirical nor objective discipline. It is goal-oriented. It's focus is on social change that is consistent with Marxist philosophy. I know this sounds like some Jordan Peterson fever dream, but so a little digging about Gramsci and the Frankfurt school.

[bluegoose]

I had the good fortune of studying critical theory in my grad program. It is most certainly true that academics approach critical theory in a way that most of the activists who invoke it don't. Activists use it as a blunt instrument. The activist understanding is what I describe here.

That being said, critical theory in all its forms (critical race theory, gender studies, post colonial studies, queen theory) is not an empirical nor objective discipline. It is goal-oriented. It's focus is on social change that is consistent with Marxist philosophy. I know this sounds like some Jordan Peterson fever dream, but so a little digging about Gramsci and the Frankfurt school.

That much we can agree on

[USUC]

That much we can agree on

This isn't some secret. Have you read any academic critical theory?

[bluegoose]

This isn't some secret. Have you read any academic critical theory?

I'm not challenging your credentials or your experience. I am but a humble health care worker. One with an intact bullshit meter.

When CRT first emerged a few years ago as the latest addition to the right wing grievance compilation, I did a deep dive into some of the origins of the theory, including reading several papers by Crenshaw. I "did my own research", much in the same way my uncle barry did his own research into the COVID-19 MRNA vaccination. I am in no way an expert on the topic, but I am versed well enough to know that the BS that most of the public spouts out has nothing to do with actual CRT.

This is what I challenged:

"But the current notion, popular among the left, is that whiteness itself is white supremacy and therefor every act that is viewed as not being in complete solidarity with their cause is violence."

"Popular on the left"? Says who? That's what comes off as bit nutso and a little Jordan Peterson, but probably a little bit more Matt Marsh.

[USUC]

I'm not challenging your credentials or your experience. I am but a humble health care worker. One with an intact bullshit meter.

When CRT first emerged a few years ago as the latest addition to the right wing grievance compilation, I did a deep dive into some of the origins of the theory, including reading several papers by Crenshaw. I "did my own research", much in the same way my uncle barry did his own research into the COVID-19 MRNA vaccination. I am in no way an expert on the topic, but I am versed well enough to know that the BS that most of the public spouts out has nothing to do with actual CRT.

This is what I challenged:

"But the current notion, popular among the left, is that whiteness itself is white supremacy and therefor every act that is viewed as not being in complete solidarity with their cause is violence."

"Popular on the left"? Says who? That's what comes off as bit nutso and a little Jordan Peterson, but probably a little bit more Matt Marsh.

It's good to see your research was as fruitfull as your uncle Barry's Covid vaccine research. Crenshaw, in addition to Delgado, Matsuda, and Patricia Williams are influenced by the CLS figures who were influenced by the Frankfurt school, particularly critical theory.

You are right not to trust the mouth breathing talking heads of the right. Their understanding is... lacking to be sure. But there are notable center left critiques that are worthy of examination (Steven Pinker among them).

Now in terms of my claim that it is popular on the left, let me be more precise. It is popular with segments of the left. You can point to the influence that Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi have had over the past 6 or 7 years. Biden, Harris, the squad have all praised and advocated policies consistent with these authors. These ideas are still extremely powerful on college campuses. As shown by economic nationalism on the right, terribly destructive ideas are quite popular in our two party system.

[falafel]

But the current notion, popular among the left, is that whiteness itself is white supremacy and therefor every act that is viewed as not being in complete solidarity with their cause is violence.

I don't know that this notion is popular or current on the left, but there was a strong current of it back when cancel culture and "safe spaces" on college campuses were in vogue. Feels like it has been a long time since I heard much argument along those lines. But for a period of 5 years or so, that was a thing.

[USUC]

I don't know that this notion is popular or current on the left, but there was a strong current of it back when cancel culture and "safe spaces" on college campuses were in vogue. Feels like it has been a long time since I heard much argument along those lines. But for a period of 5 years or so, that was a thing.

This is a fair critique. Kendi has had a bit of a downfall over the past year or so with his institute in Boston. It isn't as pervasive as it was in 2020. But it's still strong among the Free Palestinian movement.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This is a fair critique. Kendi has had a bit of a downfall over the past year or so with his institute in Boston. It isn't as pervasive as it was in 2020. But it's still strong among the Free Palestinian movement.

It’s all about hating the Jews now.

[USUC]

It’s all about hating the Jews now.

Because they are viewed as European colonizers.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Because they are viewed as European colonizers.

Yep

[LVAllen]

It’s all about hating the Jews now.

I think this is only true to the extent that you believe All Jews != Israel and Israeli policies.