President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[bluegoose]

This directly affects some members in my ward. They are hoping to stay and ride it out. But he’s losing his job, and they are starting to get desperate, turning to members to ask for financial assistance housing. Due to the church’s guidance earlier this year, there isn’t much leadership can do for them, other than food orders.

What are you referring to here?

[chrisrenrut]

What are you referring to here?

The church sent a letter to leaders in January about immigration. It specifically said church assistance could be given for food and clothing. But leaders should not provide counsel or assistance with housing, transportation, or advise on their immigration status.

the church wants to distance itself legally from anything that can be see as harboring or encouraging undocumented immigrants to remain in the US.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist...w-family-unity

[frank ryan]

The church sent a letter to leaders in January about immigration. It specifically said church assistance could be given for food and clothing. But leaders should not provide counsel or assistance with housing, transportation, or advise on their immigration status.

the church wants to distance itself legally from anything that can be see as harboring or encouraging undocumented immigrants to remain in the US.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist...w-family-unity

That's a shift from previous positions. Sad to see. But I don't they are wrong to consider that this administration would retaliate for anything seen as bing too kind to immigrants.

The supreme is going consider whether or not birthright citizenship is valid. That's where we are. Pretty disgusting territory.

[Pelado]

That's a shift from previous positions. Sad to see. But I don't they are wrong to consider that this administration would retaliate for anything seen as bing too kind to immigrants.

The supreme is going consider whether or not birthright citizenship is valid. That's where we are. Pretty disgusting territory.

The Supreme Court definitely needs to decide whether or not something that is explicitly stated in the Constitution is constitutional.

[LVAllen]

The church sent a letter to leaders in January about immigration. It specifically said church assistance could be given for food and clothing. But leaders should not provide counsel or assistance with housing, transportation, or advise on their immigration status.

the church wants to distance itself legally from anything that can be see as harboring or encouraging undocumented immigrants to remain in the US.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist...w-family-unity

I would be careful going beyond what has actually been said. There's no prohibition in that newsroom article about refusing assistance with housing, and the Handbook hasn't changed. Bishops still have an obligation to seek out and care for those in need. There's no indication that assistance is dependent on citizenship.

[frank ryan]

The Supreme Court definitely needs to decide whether or not something that is explicitly stated in the Constitution is constitutional.

I thought that had been pretty settled by now. This isn't new.

[frank ryan]

J6 pipebomber thought the 2020 election was stolen can we please tone down the rhetoric.

[dabrockster]

I would be careful going beyond what has actually been said. There's no prohibition in that newsroom article about refusing assistance with housing, and the Handbook hasn't changed. Bishops still have an obligation to seek out and care for those in need. There's no indication that assistance is dependent on citizenship.

Thank you. I have not seen any changes or examples where we have changed locally. And I think it is rather one-sided and far-fetched to think any action would be taken against a church.

[chrisrenrut]

I would be careful going beyond what has actually been said. There's no prohibition in that newsroom article about refusing assistance with housing, and the Handbook hasn't changed. Bishops still have an obligation to seek out and care for those in need. There's no indication that assistance is dependent on citizenship.

They left a lot of gray areas in the way it was worded. In a stake bishopric meeting, our stake president spoke about those gray areas. One was that the housing issue only applies if we know that they are undocumented, and that isn’t a question that should be asked. But sometimes leaders can’t help but know. When assessing needs for assistance, certain questions need to be asked, about employment opportunities for instance.

The letter is not found in the LCR Communication library. I think it was sent only to stake presidents, to be forwarded only to bishops. The newsroom article summarizes rhetorical intent? But glosses over some of the details in the letter.

[Bo Diddley]

They left a lot of gray areas in the way it was worded. In a stake bishopric meeting, our stake president spoke about those gray areas. One was that the housing issue only applies if we know that they are undocumented, and that isn’t a question that should be asked. But sometimes leaders can’t help but know. When assessing needs for assistance, certain questions need to be asked, about employment opportunities for instance.

The letter is not found in the LCR Communication library. I think it was sent only to stake presidents, to be forwarded only to bishops. The newsroom article summarizes rhetorical intent? But glosses over some of the details in the letter.

I think I think I got that letter as well. I have a stake calling.

[myboynoah]

Give the doggy a bone.

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[myboynoah]

Ummmmm . . . .

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[Moliere]

Seems like a good sign, no?

[myboynoah]

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[myboynoah]

Seems like a good sign, no?

If you're a buyer, yes (as long as the U.S. does not default). But if you're the seller (as are all of us), then we are paying more to service our debt. The U.S. is riskier, hence buyers (investors) require a higher rate of return.