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[Shaka]

Being a "supporter" of Hamas does not make one a "terrorist." Taking part in or abetting violent terrorist acts will do that. Being a vocal supporter of Hamas is not a good look in the U.S., so it would put one on a watch list.

This is straight out of the section that addresses visa denial on security-related grounds. Please note the sections that are highlighted. https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...s/waivers.html

(B) Terrorist activities-

(i) IN GENERAL.-Any alien who-

(I) has engaged in a terrorist activity,

(II) a consular officer, the Attorney General, or the Secretary of Homeland Security knows, or has reasonable ground to believe, is engaged in or is likely to engage after entry in any terrorist activity (as defined in clause (iv));

(III) has, under circumstances indicating an intention to cause death or serious bodily harm, incited terrorist activity;

(IV) is a representative (as defined in clause (v)) of--

(aa) a terrorist organization (as defined in clause (vi)); or

(bb) a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity;

(V) is a member of a terrorist organization described in subclause (I) or (II) of clause (vi);

(VI) is a member of a terrorist organization described in clause (vi)(III), unless the alien can demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that the alien did not know, and should not reasonably have known, that the organization was a terrorist organization;

(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;

(VIII) has received military-type training (as defined in section 2339D(c)(1) of title 18, United States Code) from or on behalf of any organization that, at the time the training was received, was a terrorist organization (as defined in clause (vi)); or

(IX) is the spouse or child of an alien who is inadmissible under this subparagraph, if the activity causing the alien to be found inadmissible occurred within the last 5 years, is inadmissible.

If a visa seeker goes to their visa interview at the consulate and tells the interviewer they support Hamas, they probably going to be denied.

[Shaka]

her article was posted and no hamas. then you say ive read she liked hamas. am I supposed to know where you read that?

she isnt a hamas supporter.

Back it up.

[BlueK]

It's hard for me not to believe that the ultimate mission here is just to remove as many non-citizens as possible, especially non-white ones. So they are reaching for whatever reason will stick in each individual case. Being here legally doesn't seem to be much of a protection. Who's to say a legal permanent resident vacationing overseas gets stopped at the border and is told it's because they have broken the law before--- with a few speeding tickets. The law is the law. Unfortunately I don't think such a scenario is even a stretch now.

[Maximus]

so prove your accusation is false? hmmm. you cant prove a negative man.

[Shaka]

so prove your accusation is false? hmmm. you cant prove a negative man.

So different rules for thee but not for me?

Here's a quote for US News and World Report. The same quote is featured in hundreds of articles about the situation. https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2025-03-27/lawyer-for-turkish-student-at-tufts-university-detained-by-feds-calls-for-government-to-produce-her

A senior Department of Homeland Security spokesperson said federal authorities detained Ozturk and revoked her visa after an investigation found she had “engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans.”

“A visa is a privilege, not a right,” the spokesperson added. “Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated. This is common sense security.”

[myboynoah]

This is straight out of the section that addresses visa denial on security-related grounds. Please note the sections that are highlighted. https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...s/waivers.html


If a visa seeker goes to their visa interview at the consulate and tells the interviewer they support Hamas, they probably going to be denied.

Yeah, likely, but she has/had a visa already.

That link says:

(IV) is a representative (as defined in clause (v)) of--

(aa) a terrorist organization (as defined in clause (vi)); or

(bb) a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity;

(V) is a member of a terrorist organization described in subclause (I) or (II) of clause (vi);

(VI) is a member of a terrorist organization described in clause (vi)(III), unless the alien can demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that the alien did not know, and should not reasonably have known, that the organization was a terrorist organization;

(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;

Is she an official "representative" or a "member" of Hamas? I suspect she isn't.

I don't know if this before the courts, of if she has just decided to go away.

Again, if she is not officially tied to Hamas, this seems like a free speech issue.

[falafel]

Dude, do you own research. I've posted articles and quotes. I don't have to supply a link to everything I've read. You certainly don't.

if you are using something you've read as a basis for your contention you usually post it for confirmation. Otherwise you're no better than Trump when he says "a lot of people are saying..."

[Shaka]

you usually post it for confirmation. .."

That's not the norm here.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Being a "supporter" of Hamas does not make one a "terrorist."

Actually, it does.

(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;

[Maximus]

Actually, it does.

Does thos include domestic terrorist organizations?

[Maximus]

So different rules for thee but not for me?

Here's a quote for US News and World Report. The same quote is featured in hundreds of articles about the situation. https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2025-03-27/lawyer-for-turkish-student-at-tufts-university-detained-by-feds-calls-for-government-to-produce-her

This is like quoting trump on the benefits of tariffs

[LVAllen]

You can be pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli apartheid, or anti-wholesale slaughter of Palestinians without ALSO being pro-Hamas. Indeed, many people see support of Palestine as being linked with being vehemently anti-Hamas.

This is a point often lost on US political parties that have, at times, stridently announced its own love of country while denouncing the government. At least, until they get into power, and loyalty to the government suddenly becomes the shibboleth by which true patriotism is measured.

[frank ryan]

Actually, it does.

I think you can be sympathetic to Hamas' cause without endorsing them. Supporting their cause, but not their actions is possible. It was common to be sympathetic to Irish nationalism but abhor the antics of the IRA. In fact, that ultimately led to the Good Friday Agreement.

I sure hope you can be because otherwise you profiting a belief. If you aren't providing active, orginizational or material support, I don't think that makes you a terrorist.

That makes it impossible to encourage moderates.

[frank ryan]

Does thos include domestic terrorist organizations?

If it did Trump would have to issue loads more pardons for his core supporters. The Unite the Right types.

[falafel]

That's not the norm here.

I think it is, if you are serious about your contention. Not everyone is. There are outliers of course (maximus is apparently online all the time and thinks we all are too).