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  • Originally posted by Moliere View Post

    Hamas’ cause is the complete elimination of Israel. I don’t think you can sympathetic to that cause and not be a horrible, anti-Semitic person
    Maybe, but you can do so without being a terrorist if you don't support using terrorism to achieve that goal. That is an important distinction and there is precedent for getting groups to turn in the gun and solve problems by ballot.

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    • Originally posted by Moliere View Post

      Hamas’ cause is the complete elimination of Israel. I don’t think you can sympathetic to that cause and not be a horrible, anti-Semitic person
      Elimination of Israel as in the Jewish people living there, or the elimination of Israel as in the political state? It makes a difference. It also makes a difference how the person works towards that cause.

      One is anti-Semitic, no question. The other is... more complicated.

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        • Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

          Elimination of Israel as in the Jewish people living there, or the elimination of Israel as in the political state? It makes a difference. It also makes a difference how the person works towards that cause.

          One is anti-Semitic, no question. The other is... more complicated.


          You can’t do the second without doing the first.
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          • Originally posted by Moliere View Post

            Hamas’ cause is the complete elimination of Israel. I don’t think you can sympathetic to that cause and not be a horrible, anti-Semitic person
            I wonder if people who support the political state of Israel and claim opposition to it is anti Semitic would know the same argument could be made supporting the political state of Israel means you support genocide and apartheid.

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            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post



              You can’t do the second without doing the first.
              Even assuming that's the goal, does the same argument hold true for the elimination of Hamas in Gaza?

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              • Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

                Even assuming that's the goal, does the same argument hold true for the elimination of Hamas in Gaza?
                Ask the Palestinians who are Israeli citizens and serve in the Israeli govenment and armed forces. I heard it said once that if Hamas would put down their weapons there would be peace and if Israel would put down their weapons they (nation and people) would cease to exist.
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                • Originally posted by Copelius View Post

                  Ask the Palestinians who are Israeli citizens and serve in the Israeli govenment and armed forces. I heard it said once that if Hamas would put down their weapons there would be peace and if Israel would put down their weapons they (nation and people) would cease to exist.
                  Probably am Israeli general

                  You mean the state of Israel which was created from the modern day limits party burning down villages

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                  • Originally posted by Maximus View Post

                    Probably am Israeli general

                    U mean the state of Israel was created from the modern day limits party burning down villages
                    Middle East history didn't start in 1948.

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                    • Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

                      Even assuming that's the goal, does the same argument hold true for the elimination of Hamas in Gaza?
                      I don't believe Hamas can be eliminated. Only contained.
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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                      • Originally posted by Copelius View Post

                        Ask the Palestinians who are Israeli citizens and serve in the Israeli govenment and armed forces. I heard it said once that if Hamas would put down their weapons there would be peace and if Israel would put down their weapons they (nation and people) would cease to exist.
                        That is exactly right. Their stated goal is the elimination of Israel. They teach their kids to hate jews from the time they are born. The two sides are not the same.
                        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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                        • This is a pretty funny thread using DoD cybersecurity training modules to illustrate the absurdity of the Signal debacle.

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                          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                            I don't believe Hamas can be eliminated. Only contained.
                            Arafat and the PLO turned in the bomb and gun for the ballot. Bibi saying no two state solution makes the life of a Palestinian moderate even more difficult. Hamas probably has killed outspoken moderates before

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                            • Law and order baby!

                              President Donald Trump pardoned Nikola Corp. founder Trevor Milton for his October 2022 conviction of federal crimes related to defrauding investors with false claims about the success of the electric and hydrogen-powered truck maker.

                              Milton, 42, was sentenced in December 2023 to four years in prison, but he has been free since then pending an appeal of the former CEO’s criminal conviction on securities and wire fraud charges in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.

                              The pardon came two weeks after federal prosecutors urged District Court Judge Edgardo Ramos to order Milton to pay restitution of $680 million to Nikola shareholders, and another $15.2 million to Peter Hicks, a victim of his wire fraud...

                              Milton also made significant political donations to Republicans in late 2024, including $920,000 to the Trump 47 Committee, which was first reported by New York Times reporter Ken Bensinger.

                              Milton “donated $2 million to Republicans between September and December,” Bensinger wrote in a tweet.
                              https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/28/trum...c-vehicle.html

                              Looks like 2 million is the going rate for Trump to save you from judicial tyranny.
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                              • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                                This is a pretty funny thread using DoD cybersecurity training modules to illustrate the absurdity of the Signal debacle.

                                That's great and mimics every online training I took on security and everything else, right down to the simulated work colleagues asking you to do the outrageous and a printable certificate to "keep for your records."
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